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“Why? Goods destined for Northern consumers would have to be delivered to a North eventually and the tariff would be collected then. “

European shippers would choose lower tariff southern ports when possible. Previously tariffs were equal so there was no reason to make a choice based on price. European goods would also be less expensive for the South when tariffs were lower. Northern made goods would be less competitive. The lower tariff would have an impact, just as tax havens do today.

“Whatever the goals of the Confederacy was, it is a fact that they started the war by firing on Sumter and that they seceded to protect their slave property.”

Of course such property had been legal since before the Revolution, with George Washington being one of the larger practitioners in Colonial days.

As we know in hindsight Southerners were correct in their suspicion that the North had decided to abrogate the idea of human property by force- any Constitutional remedy was moving too slowly. That plan was hardly a secret, a campaign of vilification and hatemongering had been waged on the ‘slaveocracy’ for decades in the run-up to the war, a situation well documented in Fleming’s recent “A Disease in the Public Mind”.

By 1859 that vilification campaign flowered with John Brown’s murderous plan for a Haiti-style slave rebellion, financed by wealthy Northern abolitionists. There was no longer any doubt that Northerners were waging a guerrilla war against the South, with John Brown being widely praised as something akin to a Messiah.

The election of 1860 confirmed that the country had divided. Lincoln received less than 40% of the popular vote and not one electoral vote south of the Mason-Dixon line. This was the most extreme example of sectional division in American political history.


237 posted on 05/24/2015 1:50:07 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham
European shippers would choose lower tariff southern ports when possible. Previously tariffs were equal so there was no reason to make a choice based on price. European goods would also be less expensive for the South when tariffs were lower. Northern made goods would be less competitive. The lower tariff would have an impact, just as tax havens do today.

I'm assuming that the South is an independent country in your scenario? So again, why would goods destined for Northern consumers go there? The tariff makes no difference to European supplier because they don't pay it, the consumer does. Goods that U.S. consumers want will have to cross the border at some point and the U.S. tariff would be applied there. If the Confederacy has already applied their own tariff then that would serve to make goods shipped via the South to be even more expensive. As for Northern goods meant for Southern consumers those would be taxed at the same rate as European goods would be so the European goods would not have a cost advantage.

238 posted on 05/24/2015 6:43:07 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham
You detract from your already flimsy case when you attempt to demagogue.

Of course such property had been legal since before the Revolution, with George Washington being one of the larger practitioners in Colonial days.

You say that like anyone on any of these pages ever claimed otherwise. And it is curious that you would sully the great name of Washington by associating him with the riffraff who would upend our nation for their own personal profit.

As we know in hindsight Southerners were correct in their suspicion that the North had decided to abrogate the idea of human property by force- any Constitutional remedy was moving too slowly.

No, we don't know that. We know that some northerners had impatience with the recalcitrance of southern slavers, but to broad-brush all northerners is an exaggeration.

There was no longer any doubt that Northerners were waging a guerrilla war against the South, with John Brown being widely praised as something akin to a Messiah.

Well, there you go again. You overstate both Brown's influence, his support, and his impact. If he was "widely praised as something akin to a Messiah" some of that praise should have survived to the present.

European shippers would choose lower tariff southern ports when possible. Previously tariffs were equal so there was no reason to make a choice based on price. European goods would also be less expensive for the South when tariffs were lower. Northern made goods would be less competitive. The lower tariff would have an impact, just as tax havens do today.

This would carry more credibility had the confederates refrained from imposing their own tariffs.

239 posted on 05/24/2015 7:38:07 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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