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To: Verginius Rufus

“than in the Upper South, whose states did not secede until after Fort Sumter),”

Ft Sumter isn’t what prompted the Upper South states to secede. They seceded in response to Lincoln’s April 15th call for 75,000 troops to force the Deep South back into the Union.

Had Lincoln been patient instead of eager for war the Confederacy would have been smaller and not likely to last long. Instead his call for war resulted in a much larger and more powerful opponent.


158 posted on 05/20/2015 9:59:06 PM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham
Had Lincoln been patient instead of eager for war the Confederacy would have been smaller and not likely to last long. Instead his call for war resulted in a much larger and more powerful opponent

His call for troops was in response to the South starting the war. Lincoln didn't start it.

160 posted on 05/21/2015 3:46:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham
Of course it was the call for troops that led to the other 4 states seceding, but "until after Fort Sumter" was just a shorthand way of referring to that. After all, both the call for troops and the secession of Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia too place after the attack on Fort Sumter.

I don't know if further delay would have changed the outcome--unless Lincoln called for troops secession of the Lower South would have remained the de facto reality, and if he allowed Fort Sumter to surrender because of lack of provisions the demoralizing affect of that on the North might have caused the attitude of "let the erring sisters depart in peace" to become even more widespread. Whenever Lincoln showed his hand that he would use force to coerce the seceded states back into the Union the Upper South would have been forced to decide whether to secede. Besides the four which did secede, two others (Kentucky and Missouri) struggled with the possibility.

164 posted on 05/21/2015 4:34:07 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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