I still have part of a box of original Supervel 90 grain jhp in 9mm. It is extremely hot.
I once videotaped myself shooting several cans of really cheap tomatoes. Come to think about it, I still have that old VHS-C tape. Anyway those Supervels literally exploded those tomato cans. More violent than even a .44 mag.
Lee Jurras (SuperVel)used to post over at the S&W forum. I was “chatting” with him like he was just some regular joe... boy was I surprised when I found out.
“I still have part of a box of original Supervel 90 grain jhp in 9mm. It is extremely hot.”
Back in the days of transition from revolvers to semi-autos two Alaska State Trooper investigators engaged a perp with their S&W M 59’s loaded woth “hot” 9mm 90gr JHP’s. It was winter and he was wearing several layers of clothing incuding a Carrhart coat. The Troopers scored several torso hits but none of those rounds penetrated the clothing. Didn’t take the AST long to change to heavier bullets.
IIRC , Super Vel was a 110 gr. round at about 1300 fps.
Back in the 60s the .38 ammo was hotter than today’s stuff.
I have a Speer reloading manual from 1970.
Chronographed velocities by Speer..
.38 Speer 125 g. JSP...1094 fps, 4” brl.
.38 Norma 110 gr.JHP....1366 fps, 6” brl
.38 Rem Hi Speed 158..1025 fps, 6” brl
9 mm Rem 124 gr.MC ....1131 fps, 4” brl
Don’t think you can come close to those in .38 today w/ factory ammo
Oh, SV 110 gr. JHP...1246 fps, 6” brl