Posted on 05/08/2015 3:06:44 PM PDT by servo1969
It used to be that all balls were supplied by the home team. Visiting QBs hated it.
during another time frame the NFL made them use new balls. One set of SB QBs (both teams) conspired to replace all of the balls with ones they’d broken in. All the QBs hated that.
In 2006, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady made a presentation to the competition committee on behalf of QBs across the league to let visiting teams bring footballs - which was accepted.
A ball at an inflation of 8 PSI (like a basketball) has an advantage in certain actions over a 13 PSI ball. It also has disadvantages, like not flying as far, or as stably. Of course they weren’t talking about 8 PSI balls ( or slightly sub-8 like was used in the famous Ice Bowl game).
The guy in charge is responsible for the conduct of his team. Belichick didn't lift a finger to punish Brady in any way AND denied any knowledge of under inflated balls YET I can find no comments quotes etc. by ANYONE on the patriots saying THEY will suspend or punish anyone involved. Nail the head coach every time there is cheating by anyone on his team and make them lose draft picks and fine them and that crap stops real damn quick.
The Dumbass Browns GM Farmer broke the rules and the owner did squat about it and for some reason the NFL didn't punish them with lost draft picks only s four game suspension for the GM (seriously what does a GM do during a game besides eat chicken wings and drink booze while he watches from the team luxury box?) The Browns owner should have fired the idiot for putting his team in such a position to lose precious Draft Picks. Brady forever tainted the Patriots 2014 season and the Head Coach and/or the owner should nail his ass to the wall but he hasn't said squat. And that looks bad.
We don’t know about the other 8 Colts balls. Per the report they were meyer measured.
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Should you admit to using underinflated balls if you have no knowledge of them being so? And why would you punish anyone for an offense not known to have been committed?
We don’t know about the other 8 Colts balls. Per the report they were never measured. Only 4.
Three out of four were under pressure, and one of the four *at* pressure, after they had been allowed to warm for most of half time.
Sounds like you know, but just clarifying.
Great so IOW facts are irrelevant, do you apply that thought process say if T Cruz is smeared by MSNBC?
Believe what you will since you don’ want to consider any other facts.
BTW have you read the Wells report, I have.
Breitbart sports spotted holes in the report the day it was released.
The report is very interesting to me from a stylistic point of view.
They introduce information with proper context, then wean it away and string it together where you have to work at it to re-establish it piece by piece. It’s masterfully done. There are a lot of parts where it is clearly a bit of a Rorschach test.
The sciencey part has a lot of good information, though they are inconsistent on the effects of water, and their laser/volume test seems not sensitive enough to say what they purport it says.
In the end, it says that though there is no actual definitive proof it is plausible Brady was at least somewhat aware, but that that pressure changes could have been natural and measurement but in their opinion unlikely. There’s strong detail buttressed with firmly impressed vagueries.
A lot of things you can take however you are inclined.
...and I’m tired and redundant.
Goodnight all.
The NFL is not a court of law and neither is FR. The Patriots cheat. They cheated by lowering the PSI on the balls in this case. Take the punishment like a man and stfu. That would be my advice to Tom Brady.
So then the NFL just made it up?
They've known for awhile now, unless Brady let the organization twist in the wind until the investigation was done and Belichick and company don't hammer him for lying to them pretty much proves they were OK with it.
If a I had a guy do that to me he would be out of there in a heartbeat.
We are not talking about missing a team meeting or smoking some pot. Brady is accused of cheating and as such forever stained the Patriots 2014 winning season.
This is not a little thing. The NFL is telling the World that Brady cheated to gain an edge to win a football game and as such the Patriots should be royally pissed, unless of course they were nudging and winking the whole time. And if they don't hammer Brady and condemn his actions with great vigor then it will be very telling indeed!
Lol, you just proved your complete intellectual dishonesty. That's chemistry, not opinion. Good luck in your leftist style hate tirade.
You don’t think that a year suspension is more than a 500,000 fine? You really are dishonest. Blinded by hatred.
Thank you. I tried showing that there has to be a correction from gauge pressure to absolute pressure but he refuses to acknowledge that fact.
If you read the Wells report in any sort of objective way you would see the this was a sting an second Brady did nothing wrong. 2 predictions when this is appealed, unless a nfl exec is the arbitrator the penalty will be thrown out. There is a good chance Brady will sue the NFL and Wells, after that.
Discovery will be fun. If you didn’t do anything wrong you fight back.
It’s physics, not chemistry. Next phony excuse please.
I'm not advocating a 1 year suspension. I think he should get eight games, with a perfect act of contrition reducing it to four. More likely, he will get four, reduced to two.
I'm sure the Cheatriots will find other ways to cheat. Cheating is what cheaters do.
The Colts lived in the same atmosphere we do. If your theory was valid, temperature, pressure, and the ideal gas law [which actually does not apply] would still have to bow to the experimental evidence: one teams balls were significantly underinflated, the other teams balls weren’t. The same laws of physics — but not the same laws of ethics — were working on both sides of the field.
The charge:
Tom Brady “consciously cheated.”
The evidence:
The report concluded that it is “more probable than not” that the New England Patriots’ star quarterback, Tom Brady, was “at least generally aware” of the plan to deflate footballs used in the AFC Championship game against the Indianapolis Colts.
The punishment:
The fine for improperly inflated balls is $25,000.
For the league to suspend Brady for eight games would mean the league would be fining Brady $3.5 million — a four game suspension would mean a $1.75 million fine.
That seems excessive for “probably” breaking a rule’s that carries a $25,000 fine.
So why the overkill?
There is no hard evidence and what evidence they do have is not “beyond a reasonable doubt.” With that in mind, the fine is outrageous.
Personally, I wish America were as outraged at Barack Obama’s serial lying and lawlessness as they are about this tempest in a teacup.
If Brady is suspended, I sincerely hope it takes the decision to federal court.
I bet he wins there too.
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