Posted on 04/18/2015 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
ELSMERE, Ky. —Officer Jesse Kidder has only been on the New Richmond police force for a year, but he did two tours of duty in Iraq as a Marine and he's a Purple Heart recipient.
Still, he said he's never been confronted the way he was on Thursday.
"Law enforcement officers all across the nation have to deal with split-second decisions that mean life or death. I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force," said Kidder.
It's easier said than done, and that has never been clearer than through the lens of Kidder's body camera, when the homicide suspect he was following on Thursday got out of his car and charged.
"He jumped out and he sprinted towards me. I had my firearm already drawn on me, and I told him to put his hands up in the air and he was screaming as he was yelling, 'Shoot me, shoot me'," Kidder said.
Dispatchers had told Kidder the suspect may threaten suicide by cop and that he could have a gun under his seat, but Kidder relied on his own split-second observations to know what to do.
"So he's got his arms at his side while he's running at me and that's the first thing I noticed," Kidder said as he watched the video. "He put his hand in his pocket there, so my eyes are watching that hand right now and nothing else."
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See post 67.
That's not the point. The point is that there's a reasonable argument for him NOT pulling the trigger, too.
And like I said, if you want to interpret two tours as a Marine in a combat zone with a Purple Heart and no other info as a probable desk jockey, you go right ahead. Just own your own opinion.
67 doesn’t have you pulling a gun.
77 has you and the cop doing this “”The cop and I both felt the need to pull our weapon, and neither one of us fired our weapon, but for different reasons.””
91 contradicts 77 “”I don’t know if the cop pulled his weapon on him or not”” except that anyone reading you carefully knows that you never actually say that the cop, or you, pulled a gun.
You clearly have an impression that you are trying to give, but you keep ignoring the straight out question.
“”Did you pull the gun on the man to stop him, which is what you implied and the impression that you keep trying to give, did he look at you holding your gun and then stop?””
I did not say he was a probable desk jockey. You assume he was a combat vet with no facts. Now we’ll agree to disagree and leave it at that.
He made bad choices and got lucky. Let’s agree to disagree.
Yes, I pulled my weapon because I feared for my life. This guy was higher than a kite, a quote from the cop. Didn’t know what his plans were when he charged at me or what he was capable of doing in that state. When I commanded him to stop, thankfully, he was aware enough that he did so, then retreated to his squatters hideaway. I then retreated up the main driveway to my property and met the cop there.
It all felt like a very bad dream. I have been threaten by this group and it continues to this day. This group is homeless in a way. They squat on people properties until they are kicked off/evicted. The current group has been evicted 3 times from properties that I know about. The number of people living there changes constantly. There are selling drugs from the property. The cops know this because they told me that right after this happened. There is a continuous parade of people coming and going from their locations. They have stolen property and cars turn up there all the time. The have been arrested for numerous felonies including ...identity theft, robbery, stolen vehicles, drugs, and who know what else.
So you pulled a gun on him, and he saw it, and he stopped because you were facing him with a gun?
A bad choice would have been the wrong one, how can you keep arguing for what would have been a mistake?
A man would be dead, instead of arrested, if you get your way.
yep
It sure took you a long time to say that.
Now what did it have to do with this cop arresting this man?
Good night.
A Marine with two tours in a combat zone and a Purple Heart who then became a cop are facts - very pointedly suggestive facts!
Whatever. Believe what you want.
Not quite a similar case, but here we have a cop talking to a suspect with his hands in his pockets. The cop is suspicious, but gives the guy the benefit of the doubt. A couple seconds later the cop is dead.
Read post #78 AGAIN. I did not say he wasn’t a combat veteran. And again let’s agree to disagree.
“What would Sgt. Joe Friday have done?”
Shot him in the face and then went for coffee.
Same could be said for those who are too willing and eager to shoot. The guy used his situational awareness abilities and was unfortunate to trip, but still had the option to kill if he deemed to necessary. It's easy to talk "big" and criticize others for their actions but those who will shoot way too early are cowards in my book.
The saddest part about this thread is the fact that the FR Friends of Mumia have dutifully avoided mentioning the double murder the perp committed.
Its exactly the way the left and their media behaved about Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and neither one of them was known to have committed any murders.
I’m not going to beat up on the cop. He had room to retreat and chose to do so but if he had shot the perp it would have been entirely justified.
We had a case in Ann Arbor last year where police killed a woman who lunged at them with a knife. She was off her meds, on drugs and had already stabbed someone. She confronted police in a narrow hallway where the cops couldn’t have retreated if they wished. She was hit with a taser and kept coming so the cop fired a single center mass round and put her down.
It turned out that the cop who fired the fatal shot had been charged by a man with a sword a few months earlier. In that situation he was outside and able to retreat and put the patrol car between himself and the perp. He was about a half second from firing as the perp came around the patrol car when the perp suddenly dropped the sword and went to the ground and was arrested without further resistance.
Some people fault cops regardless of what happens or the facts.
Was the officer not previously informed the suspect might want to commit suicide by cop? Yes he was.
Did the suspect, who never did pull or display a weapon, not repeatedly demand the cop shoot him? Yes he did.
Most anyone could have dropped the suspect easily. The officers choices were based on the information he had at the time.
If the suspect had initially exited the vehicle with what appeared to be a weapon in his hand, do you think this officer would not have emptied his weapon on him?
You can be confident that same exact us vs them, military combat attitude is the reason why so many in America no longer has any faith and have lost all trust in government/ law enforcement. Those who understand know damn well wide spread lack of trust can eventually destroy an entire country.
To make this point, how long before the next video surfaces of a cop entering a residence or in a traffic stop which depicts the cop shooting someone to death who wasn't even exhibiting a threat?
I give a couple of days or so.
“Was the officer not previously informed the suspect might want to commit suicide by cop? Yes he was.”
You keep repeating this like it was some kind of guarantee that the suspect had no intention of drawing a gun on the officer, and therefore he had nothing to worry about. If that’s not what you meant, then stop saying it to try and make your point.
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