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To: grumpygresh
The South would have eventually have abolished slavery, and there were even some black troops, promised manumission, that fought for the South.

The confederate constitution removed that as an option when they immortalized the Peculiar Institution in perpetuity.

Along with abolishing slavery, Lincoln abolished any reasonable possibility of amicable and peaceful secession.

Not true. Peaceful secession has yet to be tried so we do not know how successful it can be.

88 posted on 04/14/2015 8:50:00 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Lincoln did not abolish secession de jure, but Lincoln and the civil war did it de facto.

Whether secession from this government can be accomplished legally and without violence is highly unlikely.


106 posted on 04/14/2015 9:39:05 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats & GOPe delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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To: rockrr
The confederate constitution removed that as an option when they immortalized the Peculiar Institution in perpetuity.

I do not believe any written word is proof against a sufficiently powerful meme. If you know your history, you can see how abolition continuously spread with one state after another slowly passing laws for the gradual abolition of slavery.

Abolition wasn't going to be stopped. It would have eventually become socially unacceptable to maintain people in bondage even in the South.

If you've read George Washington's writings on slavery and his change of opinion regarding it, you quickly realize that it was only a matter of time before these ideas became apparent to everyone, even those who had a vested financial interest in the peculiar institution.

Not true. Peaceful secession has yet to be tried so we do not know how successful it can be.

As a consequence of Lincoln and the Civil war, the vast majority of Americans believe secession is completely illegal, and that any attempt to secede should be stopped by force if necessary.

The Public relations damage to the idea of independence is some of the worst damage caused by the civil war.

116 posted on 04/14/2015 10:03:58 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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