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To: Albion Wilde

Actually, It is the same, in terms of going against one’s faith. Nayone serious about his faith will not be able to participate in a gay wedding as it, though legal, like abortion, is against a commandment, (the sixth) as is abortion (the fifth)

One cannot, in this country, under the constitution, be forced to participate in an abortion, not legally, not under the law

Same with this. Problem here is that coercion has now entered the realm.

That’s what it’s about. And the big problem is that people who practice their own faith very lightly, picking and choosing what they want to follow, at will, has now come back to bite them, as predicted. The gay militants are seeing that weakness and taking advantage.

A guy who practices his faith lightly will waste his time in court trying to prove that it is against his religion to not discriminate against the gay customer’s wishes.

In other words, people who do not practice their faith, have chosen the government as their authority. And because we are not, thankfully, a theocracy, the constitution does not protect beliefs that are not religious.

It is not religious objection if a shop owner who does business with known adulterers, people who live together but are not married, does not attend regular religious services, contributes to planned parenthood, or participates in some active way, has an adulterous affair himself, by having sex outside of marriage, or has an unrepentant history of same, practiced birth control, has his shop open on Sundays, a violation of the third commandment, as is even shopping or mowing the lawn, and to refuse business to gays is in fact discriminatory in such a case.

If one is devout and can prove a history of adhering to the tenets of his faith as above then he could have a standing on religious grounds.

ARTICLE 3
(from the catechism

THE THIRD COMMANDMENT

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90
The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91 )


200 posted on 04/12/2015 2:42:22 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
One cannot, in this country, under the constitution, be forced to participate in an abortion, not legally, not under the law

While this may be true in many places of employment, it is not always true. There have been many cases before the courts where nurses had to fight for religious exemptions, and the fights continue.

204 posted on 04/12/2015 2:53:52 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: stanne; IronJack
I agree with you in principle that a person has to be able to demonstrate a sincere religious belief, and the fruits thereof, to claim a religious exemption. You have argued that point successfully.

The problem is the corruption of morality in jurisprudence, so that Christians are subjected to judgments that would not be inflicted on muslims, hindus or jews in similar circumstances; and worse, for the language of those immoral decisions to enter the stream of stare decisis.

For me to hold this factual observation has been attacked by others on the thread as moral cowardice rather than a realistic strategic assessment of what average Christian business persons are up against, with the goal of finding workable solutions for the church as a group. It's a given that many Christians will be legally crucified before this is over.

209 posted on 04/12/2015 3:05:28 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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