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To: PROCON
three trips to jail in 2008, 2011 and 2012 for owing between $3,500 and $7,500 in child support.

I'm not sure I understand this.

I can see jail for withholding money that you have (like you're earning good money and refusing to pay)... but what if you just don't have it?

Isn't that the same as debtors' prison?

And how does throwing a delinquent unemployed father in jail help get money to the mother?

Not sure I see the logic here.

10 posted on 04/11/2015 10:56:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

You got it, basically. Child support enforcement is a big scam run by the government. 20 years of “cracking down on deabeat dads” and collections are about the same as they’ve always been, except the gubberment actually gets to handle the child support before deciding whether to turn it over to mom.


13 posted on 04/11/2015 11:06:54 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: samtheman
Not sure I see the logic here.

It's the Gruberment. They don't need logic.

They have gunthugs, who can shoot you in the back [off-camera] if you don't "follow orders".

Well, even if you do follow orders, but not the right ones from the three different cops who are shouting orders at you at the same time (Ask Erik Scott. Never mind, he's dead.)

21 posted on 04/11/2015 11:40:00 AM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: samtheman

According to the articles I’ve read, he was $18,000 behind in child support payments. But throwing him in jail isn’t going to produce and payments from an ongoing job, unless his wages are court-garnished for payment. As a former business owner, I went thru that court paperwork, separate checks, deadlines etc crap with 2 former employees. It puts an undue burden on the employer.


29 posted on 04/11/2015 12:37:15 PM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're just the bug.)
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To: samtheman
And how does throwing a delinquent unemployed father in jail help get money to the mother?

Not sure I see the logic here.

The law was originally designed to protect mothers with child custody against fathers who were employed but failed to live up to their court ordered obligations........

Unfortunately the system has no means to properly address the issues such as this that involves a chronically unemployed deadbeat dad who obviously has no intention of ever becoming a contributing member of society...........

The laws that govern you and I mean nothing to this guy and so the best place for him to be if he were still alive is in jail

34 posted on 04/11/2015 1:28:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: samtheman

“Isn’t that the same as debtors’ prison?”

Yes it is and it the only debt, aside from taxes, that you can be jailed for not paying.

And quite frankly I agree with you, it’s one thing if some one has tons of money and just won’t write the check, but if you’re some poor schmuck putting you in jail will not hasten payment, it will likely only delay it, or make it impossible altogether.

I don’t know any particulars about this man Scott and I’m just speaking in general. But, in his case, they’ll get that child support now, out of the money they’ll win in the wrongful death suit that will surely be brought. Glad it’ll work out for his kids.


35 posted on 04/11/2015 3:20:53 PM PDT by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: samtheman

In debtor’s prison an inmate worked off his debt. Jailing someone for nonpayment of child support is a punishment. Imho.


40 posted on 04/11/2015 4:33:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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