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Oy vey. This has been covered ad nauseum.

In 1961, a parent having a baby outside of the USA had to have been in the country for at least 5 years over the age of 15 (I might be a year off but the rule is like that) IN ORDER TO CONFER AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP onto her new baby. Barack Obama’s father was not American. His mother was, but she was only 18. She was not old enough to be able to give usa citizenship to her baby Barack.

His bc is an online fake. He was first seen as a newborn in Seattle, as far as we know. At Stanley Ann’s left wing high school, when girls got knocked up, they disappeared over the border into Canada to live out the pregnancy and have their babies at one of the two unwed mother’s homes in Vancouver. They usually gave the babies up for adoption. This was the plan for Stanley Ann, probably, as well. Why else would she show up ready for classes to start at the university there, with newborn Barack, not even knowing how to change his diaper?

Who would leave their helpful parents in Hawaii and fly with a new baby at 18 to live alone in Seattle? obama Sr. was never in the picture.

So the concern is, re Obama, perhaps if he were born in Canada he was never even a citizen of the United states. He’s never naturalized. Being married to Mooch makes him eligible, but if he were born over the border, he not only wasn’t born a citizen but he was not a citizen at all.

Ted Cruz was born an American. The second he was born he was American. That is a natural born citizen. His mother was old enough to confer her citizenship.

Oy vey. This has been covered ad nauseum.

I respectfully disagree. For one thing there are a lot of new Freepers who were not here for the original "birther wars" circa 2007. For another your particular scenario is one I have not heard, and I've been on lots and lots of birther threads.

OK, so for that law to have any bearing one has to accept the unproven conjecture that Obama was born outside the USA. Mostly in the past Kenya has been offered as his place of birth. That has always seemed highly unlikely. Your "Vancouver, Canada" theory is much better, but still lacks any evidence.

But lets stipulate that Obama was born in Canada as you suggest. Did he get citizenship from his Mom?

Here is the actual law in effect at that time, "THE “IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT OF 1952”:"

: (7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totalling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
This was slightly amended in 1957 in the "THE “CITIZENSHIP ACT OF SEPTEMBER 11, 1957” (71 STAT. 644)", thusly:
• "Section 16. In the administration of section 301 (b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, absences from the United States of less than twelve months in the aggregate, during the period for which continuous physical presence in the United States is required, shall not be considered to break the continuity of such physical presence."

Now, using standard biographical information for Stanley Ann Durham, she easily passes the "10 year test" Born and raised in Witchita, California and Seattle.

Now lets look at the second test: She was 18 and 1/2 years old when Obama was born. "at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen" Would require her to be 19 to meet this test, she fell about nine months short.

So, if you or anyone else could prove that Obama was actually born in Canada (or Kenya) then you would have a great case that he is not a citizen. (Unless he nationalized sometime, and it's been hidden, but even then he would not be a NBC.)

To me, by the way this is the ONLY birther scenario that would clearly prove that Obama is not an NBC. (I was termed and "anti-birhter" earlier today, LOL, but hey even I have my conditions.)

All fascinating. And somewhat plausible. But of course Barack Sr. doesn't fit into the story at all. He was in Hawaii and you are suggesting she got knocked up in Seattle? Who was knockin' the boot?

You see how this quickly spirals out of control. So he wasn't born in Hawaii, he was born in Canada. And he's not Barack's son, he's some other guys, but his name was given to him because .... ???

It all gets pretty implausible fast, in my humble opinion.

Still, I'd love to see the details on your theory.

Who would leave their helpful parents in Hawaii and fly with a new baby at 18 to live alone in Seattle? obama Sr. was never in the picture.

Good point. Perhaps she expected Obama Sr. to follow, I guess while somewhat implausible it's not as implausable as someone else was Obama's dad, but he got Obama's name.

Yes, if your theory is true, I concur, he's not just not a Natural Born Citizen, he's not a Citizen at all.

Ted Cruz was born an American. The second he was born he was American. That is a natural born citizen. His mother was old enough to confer her citizenship.

Perhaps, but as we've seen in the case of Obama the details are important. Did Cruz's Mom pass the 10 year test? The five year test? Was the law the same at the time of Cruz's birth as Obama's? (No, it was amended again in 1966, Cruz was born in 1970.)

So, I'm withholding judgement for the time being. We need detailed biographical information and a close reading of the law in effect at the time, the same work the birthers did for Obama, for Cruz.

After that it will be open to iterpretation, based on one's own views of what "Natural Born Citizen" means. There are many views, some disqualify Ted. Even using the most mainstream view (the one Obama benefited from) he might be disqualified based on specifics of his mother's foreign residence. There is no possible way he got citizenship from being born in the USA or his father, so if his mom's citizenship granting ability vanishes, he's not and NBC, he many not even be a citizen, and he's not eligible to be POTUS.