[editor-surveyor]

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I’ve been a multi-jeep owner for 26 years.

I love the CJs and the Cherokees from ‘87 on.

The stuff they are presently selling is pure crap!

The Patriot, and Liberty are Front wheel drive, and cheap and flimsy. The Jeeps that made them a name really don’t even exist anymore. The toys that they make in place of the old CJ can’t even pass the Rubicon without help from sombody else’s winch! They are way too wide for off-road use; all hat and no cattle.

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[nascarnation]

The little fwd guys are basically an artifact of the federal CAFE fuel econ laws. Without averaging in those roller skates, they wouldn’t be allowed to sell the real ones.

[SkyPilot]

Try the 2007 to present Wranglers.....I am a cynic but my Gosh! I am also an Engineer. I am also an Air Force pilot. I know quality. This is Quality. I am not getting endorsement dollars, but I know quality.

[rabidralph]

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I don’t need to do any recreationl off-roading. I just need to get through sometimes deep snow in winter time and have something to take into the woods to get my deer.