Why would you think either men, (Clinton, Obama) judging by their actions and the sinful policy positions that they supported were born again?
I take "Born Again" as meaning a profession of belief in a set of Protestant teachings. My references to Clinton and Obama was to their self-professed beliefs. Which were the point of this article. A bunch of people were asked by a Protestant leader if they were Born Again. Rand was dancing around, and got asked quite directly: "Are you Born Again".
So it appears to me that self-professed Born Agains can vary in their beliefs and goodness, all the way from near-saints to probably horrible sinners and criminals.
Can someone be Born Again and support abortion? Well for sure they can "SAY" they are born again, but your claim is that they are lying about their own religious beliefs.
You say: "You judge a person by the fruit of the tree of their life, not just by what they say."
To some extent I agree with that. I certainly can judge people who are creepy, liars, and the like. Obama and Clinton fit into this category. But I would be very reluctant to go from saying "I think that politician X is pond-scum and would never support him" to saying ".. and therefore they are not a Christian, or not Born Again, or lacking in God's Grace".
Maybe that is in part due to my Catholic upbringing. Perhaps because of the great age of our Church and the many mistakes it has made that we are reluctant (especially lay people) to tell others that they are "not really Catholic".
I pretty much take everyone at their word on what they say they are, so if someone says that they are a Protestant Born Again, I take that as a fact. Very occasionally someone is so blatantly lying (and perhaps thinking about it more, Obama fits in this category -- has he been to Church in the last 3 years?). Is Nancy Pelosi a Catholic? I would say yes even though she has made a career out of supporting abortion, something the Catholic church clearly opposes. If she were excommunicated (and I really don't know why she hasn't been) then I would, of course, say she is not a Catholic, but I still would not say she isn't a Christian. (Luther, after all was excommunicated).
How can any man, woman, or child, know the Grace of God in their hearts and lives and still support the evils of Abortion and/or the Gay agenda?
I don't know the answer to that.
The answer is they cannot, no matter how they may lie about it.
I'm not as confident that I can see into peoples souls this way.
As for Catholics being able to be born again, sure they can, there is nothing keeping that from happening and I am sure there are many that are born again. The Bible does not differentiate between Protestant and Catholic, but it does layout the path to salvation, or being Born Again, and the process is open to all, no matter what the denomination or lack thereof. Well that's interesting. Is that commonly held belief of Evangelical Christians? I have to say that the terms seem to exclude Catholics in many of my readings, or at least Catholics interpret the term a little differently.
I read the Wikipedia page
on this. It's interesting.
And I repeat my earlier assertion, if a man or woman is truly born again ("Old things have passed away, all things have become new"), yes, they will have a much better understanding of the proper role, purpose, and scope of government.
Again, thanks for taking time to explain your views on this.
The Bible does not differentiate between Protestant and Catholic, but it does layout the path to salvation, or being Born Again, and the process is open to all, no matter what the denomination or lack thereof.
Well that's interesting. Is that commonly held belief of Evangelical Christians?
I have to say that the terms seem to exclude Catholics in many of my readings, or at least Catholics interpret the term a little differently.
Oh my, YES, Jack Black .... in fact it is THE common belief and understanding of "WHOSOEVER".
And God will bless you for your last, very honest and objective sentence