Both can. You are missing my point but I think artichokegrower and I are on the same page in that I was not attacker him/her.
Sadly pretty much always the way people have gotten rid of “extra” cats and dogs. Plenty of history of this in Bakersfield back even back when it was 95% white...just not on the side of the road. Sometimes in a bag, sometimes just in a bucket of water if it was something like kittens