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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Some clear night soon, go outside and look up. Count the stars.
What you see CANNOT be farther away than the age of the universe, because the light from something cannot take longer to travel from there to here than the universe is old.
That means EVERY STAR must be no more than 10,000 (or whatever age-of-the-universe you claim) light-years away.
Apply what we objectively KNOW about how the universe works (gravity, electromagnetic fields, mechanical physics, etc - all within at least a certain range of absolute certainty).
The result is: the universe we see CANNOT FIT in a 10,000 year old universe.

Remember, 10,000 years is just 100 hundred-year lifespans back-to-back. That ain’t much.

The only “solution” you could provide is “well, God created the light from those stars already traveling toward us” and “God created fossils that _look_ millions of years old to test our faith”.
I reject that, as that would require God lie - creating an illusion of what is when it absolutely isn’t.


37 posted on 02/18/2015 2:19:52 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2

Actually, according to the Bible, light was created before the sun, moon and stars.

However, as for the age of the universe, I defer to science which gives a range that is constantly changing as our methods and understanding grow. There is more to life than we can conceive and humility is lacking on both “sides” of the debate.

The Bible was never meant as a definitive science text, and modern science has become as hide-bound as their caricature of the medieval Catholic Church.


40 posted on 02/18/2015 2:36:07 PM PST by antidisestablishment (When the passion of your convictions surpass those of your leader, it's past time for a change.)
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To: ctdonath2

It’s not an “illusion.”Your preconceptions are wrong. It’s only an illusion if you think what you are looking at should be interpreted to mean what false science says it should.


55 posted on 02/18/2015 5:28:19 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: ctdonath2

Are you sure the speed of light is constant?


61 posted on 02/18/2015 7:15:25 PM PST by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: ctdonath2

Amen.


74 posted on 02/19/2015 8:11:06 AM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com)
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To: ctdonath2

You assume a god who created the stars could not create the light traveling as well. I think of God as an Author, who wrote the book AND created the backdrop of the book.


75 posted on 02/19/2015 8:15:30 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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