Posted on 02/16/2015 4:00:39 PM PST by OKSooner
Yeah, I know, I could ax the same question at TheHighRoad or AR15.com, etc... problem is I can get good info here, period, so why bother?
So - what's the deal with this 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge? Where did it come from, and what makes it so great? The guys at GunBlast compare it favorably to the .260 Remington, which seems to have a cult following... also seeing an interesting selection of bolt guns chambered for it, exspecially at the Savage site.
Bullet was 140 Gr Berger VLD which should have been going about 1850 fps at 970 yds. I had scope dialed for 22 MOA above my 200 yd zero and 1.25 moa left windage for a 5 mph wind 30 degrees off my nose. Unfortunately the wind must have died on my first shot as it went to the left and busted up his right rear leg. He tried to run but couldn’t and turned around and I took another shot and he dropped his head. I took a 3rd shot and dropped him.
He had his right rear leg busted up and had 2 entrance wounds though the heart lung area on the left side. He was dead on the second shot but didn’t know it yet.
When I lived in Western Kansas back in the 80s my neighbor had an FFL. He ordered six Swedish Mausers at one time for me.
They were all the 29 inch long barrel and were made anywhere from 1896 well up into the 20s. One which I have never seen before, had the Mauser crest and was made by Mauser. The rest were Carl Gustaf or Husqvarna.
They were so nice and such a bargain that he ordered several more for himself. Unfortunately the price on clean Swedish Mausers has increased more than inflation and by a good bit.
I found a M38 Husqvarna a few years ago,in new condition.It’s a much better shooter than a 98K.The only military mausers I’ve found that will shoot with the Sweedes is the 1909 Argentine model.
Thanks! That weight is pretty close to a 160gr boat-tail target round for the .30-06 or .308. Must have been s lot of oomph in the load, eh? Wish I could have seen that shot —
I think it’s more about what you’re personally dialed into. My long range rifle is an old sporterized Mauser in 30-06. It was built by me for me and I have years of historical performance notes.
The BC on that bullet is .612,a huge number.A 168 SMK is .462.
The 1909 Argentine Mauser is an absolute work of art. Around 1977, Walter Craig in Selma, Alabama got in some still new in the cosmoline and even included the original test target along with the muzzle cover.
I had my dealer order one and it was the best made rifle I have ever owned period! The original test target signed by Herr Ritzmann was just under two inches and the distance was 200 meters. He did that with open sights.
I eventually sold it to a guy who paid me $400 for it and I needed the money. One I wished I had kept tho at the time I couldn’t turn down the offer.
I still remember the inscription on the side of the action. “Mauser Modelo Argentino Deutsch Waffen und Munitions Fabriken Berlin.
I once looked up the serial number and mine was actually made in the first year, 1909. Hard to believe they turned those things out by the millions and kept that kind of workmanship.
I’m using the 6.5x47 Lapua, which has less power than the Creedmoor, for deer hunting in my Rem700. I’m using the Berger 130gr VLDH bullet in front of AA4350.
I bought one of those very rifles in 1978.I still have it,folks at the range can’t believe what old gun is capable of.I’ve been shooting an NEI cast GC 205 grain bullet with SR4759,much more accurate than ball ammo or even the Norma factory load.My nephew will get the rifle when I’m done with it.
When I lived in Garden City, KS. I belonged to the Sand and Sage Rifle and Pistol Club.
One day I had the old 1909 and there were a couple of guys already shooting at a nearby bench rest.
They came over and we talked a bit. When I showed them the rifle, they began to laugh and talk to each other in German. There were lots of German Farmers in the area and a surprisingly large number of them could still speak German. They clearly were impressed.
I had the club gunsmith raise the front sight so that it would be dead on at 100 yards. I knew it would be off at the other marked distances but didn’t care. He charged me one dollar for the job. I think he enjoyed working on it and sure enough, it was dead on at 100 yards using FN surplus dated 1932.
Incredible!
I’m looking at my Lyman 47th Reloading Handbook, and don’t find your specs for anything there, but with 140gr .264 Win Mag, IMR-4350 ~55gr the muzzle would be abt 3000 fps. A .30-06 165 jacketed SPBT with the same load would give abt 2700 fps muzzle. So it sez, that is. Been a long time since I reloaded the .30-06. They don’t like you to shoot a rifle in Delaware, except in restricted circumstances.
That bastard can come to my house and shovel out 16 inches of this “very rare and exciting event” out of my driveway.
CC
Put in order of ballistic performance, the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .260 Remington are almost neck-and-neck, pushing the same weight bullets at about the same velocities from almost identical case capacities. The 6.5×47 Lapua in factory form lags by 100 to 200 fps due to less powder capacity; however, it has already gained a reputation for having a strong case that puts up with the high pressures some reloaders push in their custom rifles. The .260 Remington’s main problem for the reloader is lack of high-quality and affordable brass and to date there has only been one factory load produced which was appropriate for serious long-range competition for the non-reloader. The 6.5×47 was designed for intermediate-range competition and very accurate ammunition is available from Lapua; however, these factory loads are at a ballistic disadvantage at long range compared to the .260 Remington and the 6.5 Creedmoor.
ballistics chart
http://www.remington.com/~/media/Files/Catalogs/2009/Remington_09Catalog_Ballistics.ashx
That’s some real good shootin’!
The .270 is way too old to be a fad; I just don’t see the point in it for any normal application. When would you use it that a .22lr or .30-06 wouldn’t do the job just as well?
Check the Berger and Sierra web pages for BC numbers.
Thanks for the links.
I think it is the BC permitting less drop in the v part of 1/2 em vee squared that does the trick over the mass difference. Flatter flight always means higher velocity, as compared to the momentum of a round just dropped simultaneously from the trigger guard, eh?
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