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To: rickmichaels; martin_fierro

Not the most wonderful engine design in the world, if losing the timing chain will allow a piston and valve collision. And it’s worse if losing a vacuum pump will cause the timing chain to be lost.


2 posted on 02/09/2015 6:11:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Most OHC engines are interference engines. If it’s a DOHC, if the belt fails, on some car the valves are so close to each other that they’ll bend that way as well.


4 posted on 02/09/2015 6:14:37 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Gotta love those interference engines. Timing chain ( or in the case of VW Jeta - belt) goes and there goes the engine.


5 posted on 02/09/2015 6:25:17 AM PST by glorgau
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Almost every vehicle today will likely bend a valve if the timing chain breaks or, more likely, slips a cog or two.

I don’t understand the vacuum pump failure causing the timing chain to fail - that part doesn’t make sense to me.

This lady should take the $6000 and be happy - get her car fixed for $4000. That isn’t bad for replacing the engine. She cites the price of the engine, but nothing about the labor to remove and replace the old engine. Also, there are refurbished engines and refurbished engines.

If she gets the work done at the dealership, she will likely pay more overall, 10,000 seems a bit pricey, but the $4000 she will pay is fair - and she will have a stronger hook into BMW if something should go wrong again.


6 posted on 02/09/2015 6:26:18 AM PST by GilesB
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Engines with the potential for valve/piston collisions are very common (called “interference engines”), and that includes engines with timing belts and chains.

Apparently in the Mini engine, the vacuum pump is driven by the chain, and the pump seizes up and damages the chain, throwing the valve timing off.


8 posted on 02/09/2015 6:28:45 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Honda’s have been this way for years - only it’s a timing belt, not chain. If it goes, your engine could be history for the same reason.

Honda owner’s and maintenance mechanics all know this and thus encourge regular changes at 75 - 100k miles, depending on year.......

No one’s screaming about Honda’s - we’ve had dozens in our family with several now with over 250k miles, running fine.

You just know to have the timing belt (and water pump) changed......


9 posted on 02/09/2015 6:28:47 AM PST by Arlis
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Lost a timing chain (actually a belt) on my old Ford Escort. Ping, ping, ping then the engine stopped. Had it towed to my mechanic and he installed a new belt, no damage.

Engines should be designed so that failure of a part like a vacuum pump or even a timing chain is not catastrophic.

17 posted on 02/09/2015 6:38:53 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (When you accept that Obama is a muslim, all things become clear.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; AppyPappy
A vacuum pump caused the timing chain to break?

"Fact" as presented by typical media reporter. Chances of this being correct? Low.

What can we reasonably presume to be factual? The timing chain broke, and piston valve damage ensued.

I don't see how this constitutes a poorly designed engine. Valves displace lower than the upper throw of the pistons. Since the end of flat head engines in automobiles (what 70 years ago?) overhead valves have been the norm, and the issue of off timing ruining the engine is the norm.

18 posted on 02/09/2015 6:39:21 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Don’t buy anything with a CVT. The odds of you being angry and broke are enormous.


47 posted on 02/09/2015 7:37:56 AM PST by nodumbblonde ("I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's a** about the clueless." - Dennis Miller)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You need high compression to get fuel efficiency.
That means not much piston to valve clearance, eg the “interference” engine.
I think that’s pretty much the norm these days.


57 posted on 02/09/2015 8:29:02 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Isn’t that a Honda engine that they use?

I had a Toyota fail in a similar manner, but after almost 200,000 miles. Big difference.


109 posted on 02/09/2015 7:26:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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