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To: DiogenesLamp
"I've been studying it for ~ seven years, and i'm still finding out new information on this topic."

There are people spending years studying the faked moon landings too. People make up their mind and then spend years finding evidence that supports them. See "Confirmation Bias".

"When you say that we should just accept whatever the courts says..."

I didn't actually say that did I? However, when you are talking about a legal issue citing what the court says is directly relevant and important. This is a legal question. One various courts, including the Supreme Court, has already written about. And it really isn't that hard. As the Supreme Court has already ruled, "natural born citizen" carried the same intent as "natural born subject". All the "studying" that birthers engage in is ultimately just a strenuous effort to deny that obvious fact.

Ultimately it's a complete waste of effort. You aren't ever going to win this argument. The courts that have bothered to address it do not agree with you. That is not going to change. All you will ever accomplish is sitting at home telling anyone that will listen how you are right and everyone else is wrong. Good luck with that.

278 posted on 02/26/2015 9:29:05 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo
There are people spending years studying the faked moon landings too. People make up their mind and then spend years finding evidence that supports them. See "Confirmation Bias".

And you don't think those people arguing that mere birth on our soil constitutes a claim on citizenship have no confirmation bias?

I didn't actually say that did I? However, when you are talking about a legal issue citing what the court says is directly relevant and important. This is a legal question. One various courts, including the Supreme Court, has already written about. And it really isn't that hard. As the Supreme Court has already ruled, "natural born citizen" carried the same intent as "natural born subject".

So you say you didn't say it, and here you are saying it again. "Don't look at contrary evidence, just accept what the Court says. " Well my friend, contrary evidence exists, and I say we should look at it. The Court has been wrong many times in the past, and this is just another area where the court is wrong.

All the "studying" that birthers engage in is ultimately just a strenuous effort to deny that obvious fact.

And this is *YOUR* confirmation bias. I can give you a page from a legal book from Pennsylvania (1817)that absolutely contradicts your theory. It explicitly says we do not follow English Common law, and the prototype for the American Citizen is *NOT* the English Subject, but will you look at it? I doubt it. You want to believe what you want to believe.

Ultimately it's a complete waste of effort. You aren't ever going to win this argument. The courts that have bothered to address it do not agree with you.

So I take this to mean that you are a supporter of Homosexual marriage? The *COURT'S* have spoken, and all your arguments apply, so is it safe to say that as far as you are concerned, Homosexual marriage is correct, and all us out here who think otherwise are just wrong?

That is not going to change. All you will ever accomplish is sitting at home telling anyone that will listen how you are right and everyone else is wrong. Good luck with that.

The truth is not subject to consensus. I am aware that a lot of people believe nonsensical things, but this does not compel me to also believe nonsensical things. You may say it is futile to shine some light on the truth, but you are entitled to your opinion.

I think we should do what we believe to be right even if others tell us it is wrong and futile. You may believe differently.

280 posted on 02/27/2015 7:25:47 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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