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To: DiogenesLamp

Yeah, in a previous post I just referenced Charles Curtis being born in Kansas Territory before Kansas became a state and I know that he was of part Kansa, Osage, and Potawatomi on his mother’s side of the family.

Lumping all slaves and American Indians together as monolithic wholes is a mistake. There were slaves and American Indians who gave their lives for this country in every war it has ever fought including the Revolutionary War.
Crispus Attucks, a half black-half American Indian was the first person known to have died for the cause of American freedom at the Boston Massacre in 1770.
George Washington’s valet, Will Lee was with him every day of the Revolutionary War.

There was no individual naturalization process for former slaves or American Indians. They were both granted Citizenship at Birth status.

By your theory, former confederates who waged war against the United States of America should not be considered as natural born citizens. When former confederates were amnestied by President Grant, they reestablished natural born citizenship status. Lots of confederates hated the United States of America enough to kill every Union soldier they encountered and they also were willing to die to be rid of the USA.


257 posted on 02/23/2015 4:51:07 PM PST by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Lumping all slaves and American Indians together as monolithic wholes is a mistake. There were slaves and American Indians who gave their lives for this country in every war it has ever fought including the Revolutionary War.

Straw man. I am doing no such thing. Indeed, I have posted several times on the contributions of Black Americans to the Revolutionary war, and have long noted that free Blacks were regarded as citizens, and able to pass on their citizenship to their children. It has long been one of my arguing points that place of birth doesn't matter, but the possession of citizenship by one's father does.

There was no individual naturalization process for former slaves or American Indians. They were both granted Citizenship at Birth status.

If they were free. Not if they were slaves.

By your theory, former confederates who waged war against the United States of America should not be considered as natural born citizens.

No, you are deliberately misinterpreting my theory. According to "my" theory, Confederates would be regarded as "natural born citizens" who renounced their citizenship, in the same manner as George Washington renounced his subjugation.

Surely you don't think it would have been reasonable to put a former Confederate at the Head of the Union Army, do you?

When former confederates were amnestied by President Grant, they reestablished natural born citizenship status.

That is a "fact" not in evidence. I would interpret the situation as their never having lost "natural born citizen" status, but had voluntarily expatriated themselves.

Due to the technicality of the Constitution not explicitly forbidding someone who had expatriated themselves, they might have been legally qualified to run for the office, but only by a technicality. I very much doubt the electorate would have been impressed by such a gimmick.

258 posted on 02/24/2015 5:59:35 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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