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To: Dead Corpse
I'll start off by saying, as I'm sure we all know, that "Viking" is a total misnomer, but for sake of encompassing brevity I will use it.

They've put burgonet helmets on Saxons more than once, here is but one example (season 2 ep9) ~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a05AOYLIh8w

And again, the body-armor (having refreshed my memory with the above clip) does literally look like they got some kind of wholesale deal on the English armor from Braveheart (wasn't accurate for that either, but I digress).

Yes, the Vikings are beaten a couple times in the series, but in typical "bad-guy" fashion the Saxons lose scores of men to batter down the handful of scruffy heroes. As far as fighting well "for Saxons," in reality it would have been difficult, often impossible, to tell the two sides apart in a battle between Vikings and Saxons, unlike the Franks who never really took to shieldwall fighting (their armies being built around cavalry). There are many reasons that the Danes experienced so much success initially in their onslaught against Britain, but I'd say overwhelming prowess in combat was one of the least influential.

Small axes, arrows, knifes and so forth could and did indicate things about the person buried besides warrior status. Considering the domestic role women played in Viking society, the presence of multi-use tools certainly need not indicate that the person buried was a warrior.

Show me the skeletons buried with swords (a surer indicator of warrior-status, unlike more general tools like knives), the skeletons showing battle-damage (knicks etc.), buried in Britain or other places the Vikings would have gone on war-making expeditions, that have been identified as female. Unless significant finds have occurred since the last time I put a lot of study into the topic, I don't think you'll be able to present anything compelling.

As for Saxo...Much of his work swirls so thoroughly with legend that I don't think he can be used to support objective historical arguments -- why bother consider his talk of shieldmaidens, when we'd then also have to examine his talk of 7 years of preparations, hundreds of thousands of warriors, and thousands of ships at the battle of Brávellir? There were occurences of women taking up arms in times of desparation, there is no doubt. But in the context of the TV program in question, where women are presented as having an equal and unquestioned role in battle, absolutely not.

23 posted on 01/03/2015 1:30:26 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Season 2 Epi 9. Those look an awful lot like the Sutton Hoo helmets. Note the fully open face and hinged nape guard where a burgeonet has a one piece nape and a full face shield.

Most scale armor types don't change much from Roman times through to the Middle Ages. After all, how many different ways are there to affix small over lapping coins of metal to a jacket?

There are many reasons that the Danes experienced so much success initially in their onslaught against Britain, but I'd say overwhelming prowess in combat was one of the least influential.

LOL... Which runs counter to pretty much everything ever written about them. From every account I've read, they were not only physically impressive specimens, but their martial arts and tactics were extremely effective.

But in the context of the TV program in question, where women are presented as having an equal and unquestioned role in battle, absolutely not.

I never said it was common. But more sources than just Saxo mention Norse female warriors mixed with the men. Common? Certainly not. Especially not after Scandinavian rulers started "Christianising" their entire culture.

Looks like you have some more reading to do.

Invasion of the Viking women unearthed

This one starts on page 273. Includes photos and is annotated.

33 posted on 01/03/2015 3:04:52 PM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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