I think that was more of a concept than a reality! It's funny just to picture some dumb tourists ambling down a wobbly gangplank 1400 feet above the city. But in the early days of aviation, people were evidently taking the concept seriously.
Posted on 12/28/2014 9:57:26 AM PST by SamAdams76
Observation decks in skyscrapers are always an overpriced "tourist trappy" sort of thing so I try to avoid them in general.
However, I had some family members visiting this week and they insisted upon going to the top of the Empire State Building (a slender and majestic skyscraper that sits on corner of 34th St and 5th Avenue).
Ayn Rand admired this building, which went up rapidly in the 1930s - at the height of the Great Depression - but I digress.
Now last time I went to observation deck of this particular building was back in the 1980s when my new wife and I spend a few days on Manhattan as part of our honeymoon. The Twin Towers were still around at the time and we went to the top of one of those as well. We actually walked the 30+ blocks to get there as we were young and full of energy and didn't want to take a cab if we could help it.
Well, a lot has changed in the nearly 30 years since I was last up on the 86th floor observation deck. There was practically no security and we pretty much pushed a button on an elevator to take us up to the 80th floor where we purchased tickets and took other elevators to both 86th and 102nd floor decks. No muss, no fuss.
Ronald Reagan was our president in those days!
This time around, the experience was quite different. We started out in Times Square which was pleasant enough. Highly recommended to bring the family to Times Square - just stay away from anybody dressed in a costume as they are creepy as hell and just want some of your money so you can take a lame picture with them.
So from Times Square, we walked the 8 blocks over to the Empire State Building, passing by the gigantic Macy's store that takes up an entire block.
As soon as we got past Macy's, the experience went downhill. We were surrounded by shifty looking "third party" vendors of tickets to various NYC attractions, complete with credit card scanners, who wanted to sell us overpriced observatory tickets that also included ferry to Ellis Island and a trip to top of Statue of Liberty.
Now I had a herd of about 10 family members with me so before I could corral them up, some of them already had their credit cards out, making it a done deal that we would purchase $29 tickets for $38 each (which they considered a bargain because Ellis Island ferry and Statue of Liberty trip was included). Unfortunately I did not have time to inform them that logistically, there was no way for us to take in the tour as we were only in the city for one day and it was already coming up on 3pm.
OK, no big deal. So we got fleeced for $9 a piece. About the price of a couple street vendor hot dogs. Welcome to New York! Plus, we should save a little time from having to purchase tickets inside the building - or so we thought.
So as we approach the Empire Street Building, we notice this massive line snaking around the block. Yes, this is the line to get inside the building to visit the observatory.
As noted, it was about 3pm and it takes us about a half hour to get into the lobby of ESB, in which another line snaked along, to where, we knew not.
It was about quarter to 4 before we were allowed to go up the escalator to the second floor where a huge "Space Mountain at Disney" type line weaved up and down the entire space, separated by the type of velvet ropes you normally see in movie theater lobbies.
During all this time, people with $50 "fast pass" tickets were whisked by us. It slowly dawned on us all that as time is money, those $50 tickets we originally snickered at seemed like quite the bargain.
After about a half hour, it became obvious that the line we were in culminated in "airport style" metal detectors, manned by those who were evidently turned down by TSA. As we snaked closer, we were notified over loudspeakers to remove our jackets and belts. Only the loudspeaker voice resembled that of the adults in Charlie Brown cartoons and we couldn't make heads or tails out of what we being said until some brassy lady with a dark blue uniform marched up and down shouting at us to remove jackets and belts.
Once through the phalanx of TSA-rejects with their wands and their expressionless stony faces, we then had to get in yet another line, this time to purchase tickets (which we got to skip) and to get offered "audio guides" which looked like 1970s era Walkie Talkies and rented for $11.
We passed.
Then we had to run a guantlet of useless exhibits showing how the skyscraper was built and other sort of useless facts, such as how many miles of pipes are in the plumbing (7 miles, if you are interested to know). Nothing looked like it was updated since the 1960s.
Most people shoved their way past these exhibits but you had a tiny percentage of overly-earnest tourists (mostly of Asian descent) who gummed up the works by pausing at each exhibits with their "audio guide" devices held up to their ears after having punched in the appropriate three digit code.
After all that, we come to yet another long line. By now it is 4:45pm - we have been standing in lines already for nearly two hours. This line leads to a person taking photographs of each group of tourists against a green background (which in the photos, will make it appear you are standing on the balcony over Manhattan at night).
There is no escaping the photo shoot. You are not simply allowed to walk past the camera without standing for a picture, whether by your self or as part of a group. We are thinking that this is a ruse to have our pictures taken for security purposes - and we are probably right about that.
Once the pictures are taken (with our images temporarily occupying the TV screens shown hanging from the ceilings - until the next group photo takes over), we are stuck in yet another long line.
Eventually, this line ends at a bank of elevators that takes us to the 80th floor. Because the building was designed such that you had to take separate elevators on the 80th floor to go higher.
Once on the 80th floor, you guessed it, another very long line snaking to the other bank of elevators.
However, this time, we were given the option of walking six flights of stairs as opposed to waiting another half hour to get on the next elevator.
Pretty much everybody availed themselves of the opportunity, including little old ladies and pot-bellied out-of-shape men who really should have known better.
So now, after waiting in lines for over two hours, we are now stuck in narrow staircases with sweaty, smelly and out-of-breath people, with the sounds of scuffling feet and raspy intakes and outtakes of bad breath. By the time we got to the 84th floor landing, you had a bunch of people just standing against the wall with their tongues hanging out and making all sorts of disgusting rasping and gasping sounds as they tried to catch their breath in the hot, stale air.
There was actually an elderly lady with crutches attempting to negotiate the staircase. It was crazy!
Finally we get to the 86th floor observatory. The sun was shining brightly when we entered the building nearly 2 1/2 hours ago. Now there is only the tinge of a sunset we missed and Manhattan is spread out below us in shimmering lights.
It would be a great view if we could actually get to edge but there were hundreds - probably thousands - of tourists that so crammed the observation deck that it was all we could do to turn sideways and inch our way around the platform. Meanwhile, you had a group of mall-cop types in uniforms telling us to "move along, move along".
There were so many people on the deck that I seriously feared that the building might tip over if we did not properly balance our collective weight around the observation deck (however, no problem on that count).
After about 20 minutes, we finally decided we had had enough and after squeezing in a few obligatory photos that were not obstructed by other people, we headed for the elevators to go back down.
However, it was not quite as easy as pushing the button and going down to the bottom. First ,we had to go back down to the 80th floor and get herded through about a quarter mile of gift shop. Then we had to get past the pushy vendors trying to sell us the photo they took of us earlier for $20.
Once past that, we got literally pushed into an elevator that took us to the bottom and we were unceremoniously shunted out to the street outside, where we saw even longer lines waiting to get in.
So all in all, the Empire State Building observatory is a colossal ripoff. However, the rest of our day in NYC went exceedingly well. Especially the Heartland Brewing and Chophouse on 43rd Street where we all had dinner. After a couple of Oatmeal Stouts, I was feeling good about NYC once again.
I like the Museum of Science and industry in Chicago but unfortunately some idiot built a city around it.
I seldom go north of the flatiron neighborhood any time of year. I work around there. :-)
Our family was in NYC this week also - surprised we didn’t run into you :)
Loved the Macy’s and Saks windows (Macy’s is also an amazing store worth shopping in - if they don’t have what you want, they will send you to someone who will), Times Sq still better than in the ‘70s, forgot what a zero MOMA is except for Starry Night.
To those who downplay Manhattan, it’s ‘Murica. Yeah, it’s got everything wrong with the US these days, but it also is a wonderful monument to everything that used to be noble and great, and might be again if we could ever get rid of the dishrags and axehandles currently running things. My only complaint was the lack of Watney’s Red Barrel :)
Merry Christmas to you, Mr. Adams (though I prefer Dogfish Head), and to all Freepers!
How about if there are naked pictures of someone else's wife already on the camera?
I think that was more of a concept than a reality! It's funny just to picture some dumb tourists ambling down a wobbly gangplank 1400 feet above the city. But in the early days of aviation, people were evidently taking the concept seriously.
Many if not most people choose a vacation destination based upon climate, natural beauty and the opportunity to relax. Manhattan represents none of those things. I enjoy going there myself, but relaxing it’s not. Three to five days max and I’ve got to get out, I start to understand why people are so pushy and rude. Yes there are cultural attractions, shopping, restaurants and fascinating architecture. People watching without compare, from the lowest low to the heights of fashion. But, to me that’s a long weekend, not a vacation by any stretch.
The Flatiron is one of my favorites although it doesn’t have a view - too short, I guess. That’s a good area for shopping.
I work in the NY life building. I love working in there and in that neighborhood. Midtown was the worst.
At least I was able to talk them out of the Ellis Island/Statue of Liberty tour.
We’re in the process of giving up our tiny apartment on 25th & 2nd Avenue. Just a short walk to Chelsea and all the great stores!
***we were in culminated in “airport style” metal detectors,***
If you will remember, this is because quite a few years ago some MOSLEM yelled allah akbar and opened fire on visitors on the observation deck.
Moslems ruin everything they get near.
I was there a few years ago. Museums which once were free you now have to pay for. This is to keep the vagrants out.
The Twin Towers memorial, and all others now have heavy security due to the moslems and various rifraf.
Still had a great time!
Unless required by work, I do NOT travel to New York City. Nothing there I want to see and WAY to many people.
It’s called the MetLife building these days. But I will always refer to it as the PanAm building.
If you can afford private transportation and a good hotel in a good area, it’s awesome for a long weekend. The energy, the food, the best that the world has to offer, right there, mostly within walking distance. Expensive though. I’d hate to try to do it on a shoestring. Better have friends there, imho.
Second best view of Neu Yuk Sh*ty is from 25,000’ in CAVU conditions.
Best view is at night from a friend’s porch. Said porch was located in a super small community perched on the side of the Palisades just south of the GW Bridge.
Hint: ‘Tis still Neu Yuk Sh*ty - breath shallow, their Libtardism is in the very air.
I went two years ago with a friend in the middle of the week and ignored all street vendors and got in after about an hour wait. Not too bad. Two years is a long time and maybe a lot has changed. But I think the main thing is try to go off-peak. Anyway, my condolences on your travails. I hate all forms of tourist-fleecing, and it sounds like you suffered a double-barreled blast of it.
I don’t know if I would EVER go to NYC(or even NY at all), but if I do, I’ll never go to the Empire State Building.
I wouldn’t want to give that state any revenue. I would also include California and a few others on such a list. They can support themselves.
My Father took the family to New York right after XMAS in 1968. Took in all the sites including the Empire State building and it was nothing to get up there to see that.
Went by NBC and took the tour and that was when Johnny Carson was still in New York.
Took one those Greyline Bus tours of the city and our bus broke down in Harlem. Had to take the subway to get out of there and back downtown. Man what an adventure, my dad, mom and us three kids.
Dad even got us tickets to a Broadway show, “Fiddler on the Roof” and it was great. What a trip. By the way that was the year the garbage strike was on.
I see the Clinton/Warren debates have already started.
Moslems ruin everything they get near.
Yup.
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