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To: ConservingFreedom
"Glad you're finally in line with the dictionary definition and FR usage"

In line? Hardly. I'm simply saying I understand your definition of unconstitutional.

I don't agree with it, since I don't believe the Founders had access to a modern dictionary and "FR usage" -- whatever that is. But hey. Let's all be thankful "true" constitutionality isn't determined by "DU usage", huh?

"What we do about unconstitutional Supreme Court rulings is another question."

As we go further down the rabbit hole ...

What happened to "No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it"? If you're going to obey an unconstitutional law, then what's your point?

"Interstate trade was not left to be destroyed or impeded by the rivalries of local government. The purpose was to make impossible the recurrence of the evils which had overwhelmed the Confederation, and to provide the necessary basis of national unity by insuring 'uniformity of regulation against conflicting and discriminating state legislation.'" (emphasis added)"

You keep citing that. The court was simply making a general point. Try addressing this instead:

"The fact that carriers are instruments of intrastate commerce, as well as of interstate commerce, does not derogate from the complete and paramount authority of Congress over the latter, or preclude the Federal power from being exerted to prevent the intrastate operations of such carriers from being made a means of injury to that which has been confided to Federal care. Wherever the interstate and intrastate transactions of carriers* are so related that the government of the one involves the control of the other, it is Congress, and not the state, that is entitled to prescribe the final and dominant rule, for otherwise Congress would be denied the exercise of its constitutional authority, and the state, and not the nation, would be supreme within the national field."

* Substitute "wheat" or "drugs" or "air traffic" for "carriers" and you have your U.S. Supreme Court precedent.

79 posted on 12/30/2014 2:41:34 PM PST by offwhite
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To: offwhite
Glad you're finally in line with the dictionary definition and FR usage

In line? Hardly. I'm simply saying I understand your definition of unconstitutional.

I don't agree with it, since I don't believe the Founders had access to a modern dictionary

Ah, so now you're implying that the Founders' definition of "constitutional" was different? Have any evidence to back that up? ... Keeping in mind that the principle of judicial review was not formalized until Marbury v Madison in 1803.

and "FR usage" -- whatever that is.

The meaning with which a term is used on FR. Did you really not know that?

But hey. Let's all be thankful "true" constitutionality isn't determined by "DU usage", huh?

I'm sure on DU they agree with your definition, because your definition has for generations been favorable to the left. Most FReepers don't agree that the USSC has the authority to effectively rewrite the Constitution with "emanations" or "penumbras" - or "substantial effects".

What we do about unconstitutional Supreme Court rulings is another question.

As we go further down the rabbit hole ...

What happened to "No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it"? If you're going to obey an unconstitutional law, then what's your point?

I'm not sure what you're asking here. If one wants to act contrary to federal drug statutes on the grounds that they are unconstitutional and therefore null and void (and/or to make that point to those who say Scripture commandds that we obey the authorities), more power to them - but I can't fault anyone who prudentially decides that they'd rather avoid the penalties that practically can follow from such action.

"Interstate trade was not left to be destroyed or impeded by the rivalries of local government. The purpose was to make impossible the recurrence of the evils which had overwhelmed the Confederation, and to provide the necessary basis of national unity by insuring 'uniformity of regulation against conflicting and discriminating state legislation.'" (emphasis added)

You keep citing that. The court was simply making a general point.

The only general point it made - which is my point.

Try addressing this instead:

Already addressed several times: "the Shreveport Rate Cases ruling asserts the authority of Congress only with specific reference to shipping rates".

"The fact that carriers are instruments of intrastate commerce, as well as of interstate commerce, does not derogate from the complete and paramount authority of Congress over the latter, or preclude the Federal power from being exerted to prevent the intrastate operations of such carriers from being made a means of injury to that which has been confided to Federal care. Wherever the interstate and intrastate transactions of carriers* are so related that the government of the one involves the control of the other, it is Congress, and not the state, that is entitled to prescribe the final and dominant rule, for otherwise Congress would be denied the exercise of its constitutional authority, and the state, and not the nation, would be supreme within the national field." [emphasis added]

* Substitute "wheat" or "drugs" or "air traffic" for "carriers" and you have your U.S. Supreme Court precedent.

Why would I so substitute when the authors of the ruling did not? This was a narrow ruling. (That a later court broadens an earlier narrow ruling makes the earlier ruling itself no less narrow.)

80 posted on 12/31/2014 8:09:59 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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