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To: DiogenesLamp
I do not believe jus soli was ever legally valid in this nation, despite the misinformed people throughout history who have claimed otherwise.

Like the courts and congress.

Sure, they have a right to self determination, but not with property that does not belong to them. Back in their home country where they are citizens, they have the right to create whatever sort of government they prefer. That *is* consistent.

So fundamental, God-given natural rights can only be exerted in certain, arbitrarily-constructed places and not in others. How many generations of ancestors does one need to have someplace before they can exert their natural rights of self-determination without having to return to some ancestral homeland to do so?

252 posted on 12/09/2014 1:08:27 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Like the courts and congress.

You anthropomorphize them as if they are living beings of one consistent mind. They are not. Those people who were in a position to know and understand best what was meant by "natural born citizen" and the 14th amendment do not agree with the jus soli theory of citizenship. Again, John Bingham, Chief architect of the 14th amendment specifically stated it was not intended to apply to the US born children of foreigners.

The Wong court deliberately ignored his clear and precise explanation that these people were not covered by the 14th amendment, and the Acolytes of legal dogma have been trumpeting this phony precedent ever since.

So fundamental, God-given natural rights can only be exerted in certain, arbitrarily-constructed places and not in others.

There is nothing arbitrary about the border. In your own land, you have a say. In our land, you do not.

How many generations of ancestors does one need to have someplace before they can exert their natural rights of self-determination without having to return to some ancestral homeland to do so?

You appear to be intentionally ignoring the point. If you are a citizen, then you have a say, and children born to citizens are also citizens and they also have a say. There is no issue of "generations".

People who have no legal rights to citizenship are not citizens, nor are their children citizens of any but their parent's country.

Invaders and guests do not have a say in how the household is ran. Family does. If you want a say, join the family. Don't sneak into our house and pretend you are a member.

255 posted on 12/09/2014 1:22:35 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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