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To: DiogenesLamp
A sane person would regard the presence of so many non-citizens as tantamount to an invasion.

This may come as a shock to you, but most of the hispanic residents of California are native-born US citizens.

Foreign citizens have no claim to being part of the society which forms a part of this Union, and therefore their opinions one way or the other is immaterial. They cannot vote, so they cannot invoke the right of self determination in a land which is not theirs.

Why not? Who says whose land is whose? Do not all people have a right to self-determination wherever they may be? Is that not a natural right? Must be consistent now.

246 posted on 12/09/2014 9:06:08 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
This may come as a shock to you, but most of the hispanic residents of California are native-born US citizens.

You and I have argued about this in the past. Your assertion is but one more bit of fruit from the poisoned tree of asserting a jus soli claim to citizenship. I do not believe jus soli was ever legally valid in this nation, despite the misinformed people throughout history who have claimed otherwise.

The consequences of recognizing a jus soli claim to citizenship is just such a fiasco as is occurring in California, though I think their population of actual illegals is a significant portion of the vote there.

Jus soli is a rational position if you are a Monarch asserting any and every claim of subjectude over anyone you can, but it is a nonsensical and foolish position for any sort of Republic which bestows benefits on it's citizens. The US is one of the few places left in the world that follows this nonsense, and even Britain, upon which it is asserted our laws are based, has abandoned this horribly foolish idea.

Why not? Who says whose land is whose? Do not all people have a right to self-determination wherever they may be? Is that not a natural right? Must be consistent now.

Sure, they have a right to self determination, but not with property that does not belong to them. Back in their home country where they are citizens, they have the right to create whatever sort of government they prefer. That *is* consistent.

In your house, you have the final say about what transpires. The fact that guests may be present does not give them the right to override your will.

Your assertion is that guests (or even intruders) can assert dominance in your own house. It is nonsense and you know it.

249 posted on 12/09/2014 9:36:08 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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