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To: DiogenesLamp

Let me make a hypothetical argument.

Let’s say the state of California was taken over by a radical La Raza party and voted to secede. They then began oppression of the Anglo and black minorities in the state.

Would the United States have the moral and constitional right to enforce the US Constitution, by force if necessary? Or does a temporary majority in a single state have the right to remove the protections promised by “the people of the United State” to all individuals within each state?

BTW, we may be headed towards something very like this in the state of Hawaii.


235 posted on 12/09/2014 7:06:01 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; BroJoeK
Our lost causer FRiend is convicted of the notion that the Declaration of Independence and all of the blood, sweat, and tears that went into the formation of our nation had a secret clause that offered the encouragement that anyone could abandon their agreements and go back on their word at any time and for any reason (even though no founding father ever said any such thing.

I doubt that you can reason him out of a notion he wasn't reasoned into.

236 posted on 12/09/2014 7:51:56 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Let’s say the state of California was taken over by a radical La Raza party and voted to secede. They then began oppression of the Anglo and black minorities in the state.

A sane person would regard the presence of so many non-citizens as tantamount to an invasion. Foreign citizens have no claim to being part of the society which forms a part of this Union, and therefore their opinions one way or the other is immaterial. They cannot vote, so they cannot invoke the right of self determination in a land which is not theirs.

This is a very different thing from people who have owned and lived on the land for generations deciding that their existing government no longer represents their interests. Your analogy is utterly wrong in the most important particulars.

Would the United States have the moral and constitional right to enforce the US Constitution, by force if necessary? Or does a temporary majority in a single state have the right to remove the protections promised by “the people of the United State” to all individuals within each state?

It is not a majority of legal citizens. It is a nonsensical hypothetical no different than suggesting a few Million Chinese visiting New York could pry it out of the Union. In the case of California, it isn't their land, it isn't their society, and they shouldn't even be there, let alone have any determinative power over that state.

BTW, we may be headed towards something very like this in the state of Hawaii.

Good riddance. All it has given us of any significance was Barack Obama, and that was significant only in it's degree of horribleness. You do know that Hawaii only became a state due to Democrat's insistence that they get a Democrat state if Alaska was allowed in the Union?

Hawaii was a compromise deal to get agreement on Alaska. It never should have been a state in the first place.

244 posted on 12/09/2014 8:36:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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