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Richard III's DNA throws up infidelity surprise
BBC ^ | 12-2-14 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 12/02/2014 4:36:01 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic

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To: Verginius Rufus

Well, Paine’s opinion not withstanding, “possession is nine tenths of the rule”, “to the victor goes the spoils”, and “the winner gets to write the history”...
William the Bastard won so it all starts with him, like it or not...


41 posted on 12/03/2014 8:15:17 AM PST by matginzac
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To: bert

I think that has pretty much been proven (that the remains are Richard’s, or his body double who happens to be related.)


42 posted on 12/03/2014 8:51:02 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: CARDINALRULES

Well, maybe.

As that article shows, for people to be able to track their genetic ancestry back 1000 years, you have to assume that the father of each and every child in that tree was the women’s husband.

Something that is at minimum unlikely.

Going back just 500 years and allowing only 3 generations per century, I would have 32,768 maternal ancestors. The chance that ALL of them were virtuous approaches nullity.


43 posted on 12/03/2014 9:13:05 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: publius911

That’s the one.


44 posted on 12/03/2014 9:41:00 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: 1010RD

Yeah, I’m one of a dying breed.


45 posted on 12/03/2014 10:44:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Interesting thread.

I've been studying medieval English kings for nearly thirty years and I'm not aware of any historians giving any credence to rumors of John of Gaunt's illegitimacy.

John of Gaunt is easily the most powerful person in English royal history to never be king and it was the void left after his death that really began the War of the Roses. However, rumors that he was illegitimate did not appear until late in his life and were quite possibly started by supporters of Richard II who hated the Lancasters.

There is zero evidence that Philippa of Hainault was unfaithful to Edward III and, in fact, she was given far more authority than most queens of her day were and would seem implausible if Edward mistrusted her for any reason (keep in mind that he imprisoned his own mother). Further it is implausible that Edward III would have given John of Gaunt so much wealth and power if he didn't believe he was his son.

It's far more likely that the infidelity occurred much later in the Beaufort line.

46 posted on 12/03/2014 11:40:41 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He was a good bowler, and a good man. He was... he was one of us.


47 posted on 12/03/2014 12:17:39 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Tudors are Welsh Gigaloes.

Look live Richard III. !!!!


48 posted on 12/03/2014 2:48:07 PM PST by ZULU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qLDFiQcjlY Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; SunkenCiv
Well, there is a direct blood descendant of Charles I and the Stuarts consider him their Pretender. He is Franz, Duke of Bavaria.

Hmmm. Bonnie Prince Franz just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

49 posted on 12/03/2014 2:53:36 PM PST by colorado tanker
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50 posted on 05/14/2020 12:12:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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51 posted on 05/14/2020 12:21:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Doulos1

LOL!


52 posted on 05/14/2020 1:04:50 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Trump IS MY president and I'm damn proud of him!)
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(looks like a lot of the interviews were shot inside Hever Castle)
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(this one is an earlier show)

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53 posted on 09/13/2021 7:50:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Psalm 146:3-5 [KJV])
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