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To: Hostage

No offense, but that’s over 2800 words detailing something that we already know.

Here’s the problem: Boehner and McConnell are between you and the goal. Given the GOPe is *FIRMLY* entrenched in the controlling seats, how do we get to the goal?


19 posted on 11/15/2014 5:25:52 PM PST by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

> “No offense, but that’s over 2800 words detailing something that we already know.”

I know that. It was written for some of the newer readers as a primer on the last 8 years of election history from the Conservative perspective and also what Conservatives face today.

How do we get to the goal? It must be reinforced by the Conservatives that are in office and who were just elected that Independents have a home with them, that they can be trusted. The goal for 2016 is reachable by those who capture the Independents.

The salient fact is that in 2012 Independents numbered 24% of registered voters. In 2014 they are at 42%. You can check that on the internet in many ways. Why isn’t this fact major news? It’s not something that is easily expounded on and is difficult to sensationalize in a 30 section news quip. Many major news stories are designed like soap operas and there is no head figure for Independents. But the numbers show that registered voters are leaving in droves from both major parties. So Independents are key to reaching the goal.

Independents will flock with GOP conservatives as long as GOP Conservatives stand up to the GOPe. The GOPe is simply not popular; they do not address or reflect the daily thinking, burdens and concerns of Conservatives and Independents.

I’ve posted a few times how Ted Cruz can win in 2016 by a landslide. It assumes he takes half of the Latino vote (he took 40% in Texas in 2010), he takes all the Conservative GOP Base, he takes all the Perot Blue Collar Conservatives and the Reagan democrats and he takes 2/3’s of Independents. Analysis shows Jeb Bush, Romney or Christie losing to Hillary Clinton because of suppressed Conservative turnout.

In the near term, the danger, and it is a red flashing light danger, is a legislative amnesty effort only it won’t be called amnesty but will be called Border Security Act or similar. As in the past, amendments will be added to make the bill into something more comprehensive, the border security provisions will be abandoned or buried and legalization will follow. This will, as Conservatives know, add millions and millions of democrat voters and it will happen almost immediately via Motor-Voter.

The way to stop this loss of voting integrity is to stop any sort of immigration bill until Conservatives control both chambers of Congress and the White House; hopefully that will be realized in 2016.

There is Legislative Amnesty and there is Executive Amnesty. Neither will allow it to be called amnesty or referred to as such but it will be amnesty. Legislative Amnesty is more dangerous that Executive Amnesty because the latter can be stopped temporarily (at least a year) by a preliminary injunction while its legality is sorted out. Legislative Amnesty becomes law and cannot be stopped by courts as by definition it is made as law and is therefore legal.

The way to get Boehner’s attention on the matter is for the incoming and returning group of Conservatives to repeat what has worked before which is to make Boehner face the reality that Obama cannot be trusted to enforce any new bill for immigration. Obama will do what he wants.

But Boehner is a real concern and is a loose cannon who has a track record of caving. Right now it is a good bet he is looking for any angle to get amnesty passed because that is what the powerful interests behind the US Chamber of Commerce want. But he is checked somewhat by members of his caucus.

Right now it is conceivable that Boehner could bring the House version of the Senate’s Comprehensive Immigration Reform to the House floor for a vote. He won’t do it but if he did, it would pass with all the current democrats voting for it and about 17 progressive republicans. But the majority of the Republican Caucus is against it but that did not stop Boehner when he decided unilaterally late last year to bring the vote to raise the debt ceiling to the House floor without support of his own Caucus. So he has the power in his Speakership to get amnesty passed.

The numbers of Conservatives that are new and returning to the House I think exceed the number in this lameduck conference so it should add more resistance to Boehner going around the Republican Caucus. We shall see but the fact that he can do it on his own is a major concern.


20 posted on 11/15/2014 7:21:51 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: jaydee770; Hostage; Windflier; TADSLOS

Actually “we” know no such thing. “We” are a collection of mindless unthinking sheep that don’t believe the words we spew daily on conservative forums and go out every year and empower RINO/Liberals because ‘We’ can’t be mothered to consider the facts in this article. An article which BTW, was outstanding.

When “We” change our trajectory, “We” won’t need articles like this. “We” shouldn’t need articles like this. But the willful stupidity and rank stubbornness/ego inherent in the collective ‘We” ensures articles like this are very much required reading for everyone.


23 posted on 11/15/2014 7:47:28 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Feet to the fire folks. YOU PROMISED!)
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To: jaydee770

>> No offense, but that’s over 2800 words detailing something that we already know.

A good read that eventually wasn’t.


28 posted on 11/16/2014 2:20:40 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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