Posted on 11/01/2014 6:43:31 AM PDT by massmike
How about putting as starters players that have vowed to crush you?
That doesn't seem conducive to winning to me.
I voted a straight R ticket (manually) just to metaphorically punch the democrat machine in the nose.
Except there seems now to be nothing which differentiates (R) from (D) — or can you give me a concrete example of three major issues that the Republicans have stood up to unwaveringly during the past 6 years?
Let them know that liberalism/communism/Alinskyism is dying.
It seems to me that the Republican party is rife with liberalism, socialism, and statism. That e.g. Ted Cruz is so much of an outsider WRT the rest of the party is some proof of how the Republican Party means none of their stated platform planks.
And I don’t see how voting for Republicans, who have become Democrats in all but name, states your hatred either.
A lot of folks here seem like they’d support John Kerry and Hillary Clinton if they temporarily put a “R” next to their name.
We've also seen plenty of issues transcending the liberal/conservative divide where the GOP did nothing at all — a prime example would be the NSA's domestic espionage. Do you really think that the majority of Americans think this is right? Do you really think that acting against such obviously contraconstitutional policies would be politically damaging to them? Absurd! They could have proven that they are more than talk when it comes to upholding the Constitution garnering some measure of support from those otherwise disinclined to support them and they threw it all away! Why!?
The only explanation that makes sense is that the GOP approves of, and condones, such practices.
What a great metaphor!
What do you do when the Coach hamstrings the best players? We've seen the GOPe “throw games” to keep Conservatives from winning. How should we (the owners)respond?
You seem to want to renew the backstabbers contracts!
I think the reasons the Republicans have gone over to the Dark Side are twofold:
(1) Republican politicians are afraid of the Left because they think that's where most of the power is and--among their other fears--they fear for their jobs, careers, and financial assets, andOf course these people should be kicked out of office forthwith.(2) Some of them have been influenced by the Left and are stupid enough to believe some or all of its assertions.
I say elect the bastards and do everything to empower the Tea Party and other manifestations of clarity in order to bring pressure on them, help inform the electorate, and ultimately replace them with more competent and intelligent people.
The alternative is to elect out-and-out Democrats, who will never respond to such pressure and are less likely to be eradicable.
I say elect the less--or perhaps the weaker--of the two evils and then concentrate on scrubbing them into political oblivion.
No, and the accusation that you think they would is ridiculous, frankly. Go try to convince somebody who hasn’t voted already. I did.
You aren’t in Georgia. I remember Talmadge and the self-described defense expert Nunn. I remember Governor Jimmy Carter. I remember Max Cleland. I remember them all.
You think not voting is a panacea against RINOs when it is a prescription for more of the above. Yeah, Isakson and Chambliss grew to be a pair of highly stinking RINOs. But disgust, bitch slapping and hollering pulled them back from acquiescence on Bush/McCain’s first Amnesty proposal, didn’t it? (you probably don’t know, but it did).
Likewise, growing distaste and constant constituent flak is what convinced that bastard Chambliss to retire. It is what will keep Isakson in tow, or it will make him retire, too. And the same damn thing goes for Perdue. Just because I voted for him against some mouse of a daughter of Nunn’s isn’t a pass by an measure.
I’m taking care of things here in Georgia the best way I know how; I suggest you do the same in New Mexico before you castigate me.
No, and the accusation that you think they would is ridiculous, frankly
Really?
Remember Arlen Specter? George W endorsed him. He ran on the GOPs dime. A lot of people said don’t support him but “he had to win for the greater good!”
As soon as he took office he switched parties. Anyone with any sense already knew he was a liberal democrat. But hey, he had that “R” so republicans had to vote for him!
Is that the best you can come up with? Really? In Pennsylvania? Even “go along get along Hannity” ended up regretting what he’d done for Specter. I’m in GEORGIA dealing with the here and now and all you can come up with is some peckerwood from PA?
Give me a break.
In the current environment, what do you propose they do?
Example?
Yes, we need to promote Conservative values. We also need to eliminate the traitors. You don’t do that by reelecting them.
Traitors? Because they reflect the middle views of the electorate that voted for them rather than us?
If you choose to reelect them you are rewarding the behavior and you WILL NOT “pressure them” or “scare them.”
And I guess allowing the Democrats to control everything promote Conservative values.
And you didn't comment on any of the actions I suggested. Why?
“Sucking less than democrats” is at least one small step in the right direction. And perhaps next time, Republicans may be emboldened to suck even less.
It’s pure fantasy to think that withholding your vote is going to make the party more conservative.
It’s easy for me. I don’t have to play all these political bookie games. The minimum criteria to earn my vote is very simple:
Can I honestly believe that they will keep their oath of office?
It’s not too much to ask.
Sadly, few now even understand what the obligations of the oath entail.
Nor do they care.
Until we depose Harry Reid, we have zero chance of advancing our agenda.
They control the House of Representatives, so they could strip the NSA of funding.
Also, they could actually investigate and push for prosecution of the wrongdoers [essentially the whole agency, plus contractors] — would that be a mess
or open a can of worms
? Quite possibly. However, it would also show that the Republican party isn't just all talk, and that it's willing to get into uncomfortable places to get rid of corruption — but they didn't, which shows that they accept the NSA's lawlessness, and approve of it.
Seriously, if they made a honest, vigorous push against it even if they were stymied by the Democrats (though I think the topic is so toxic even the Democrats wouldn't be able to stand against an honest opposition) they would garner support from the general population. It was seriously a no lose proposition for them (or even the Democrats, had they capitalized on the opportunity) — the non-action and de facto defense of the NSA shows [to me] exactly that these elites are unified in their statist ideology.
You're right — the last time I was there was in Basic Training.
I remember Talmadge and the self-described defense expert Nunn. I remember Governor Jimmy Carter. I remember Max Cleland. I remember them all.
You think not voting is a panacea against RINOs when it is a prescription for more of the above.
Actually no — I have never, on this thread, said that one shouldn't vote.
All I have said is that your vote is a vote for someone, and the ideologies they represent.
Yeah, Isakson and Chambliss grew to be a pair of highly stinking RINOs. But disgust, bitch slapping and hollering pulled them back from acquiescence on Bush/McCain’s first Amnesty proposal, didn’t it? (you probably don’t know, but it did).
I vaguely remember that — but do you think that any of that would work on the crop we have now?
Remember that they [Republicans] refuse to work against even highly unpopular things like [e.g.] the NSA's domestic espionage; things like this are virtual no lose issues and they refuse to capitalize on them. Why?
I’m taking care of things here in Georgia the best way I know how; I suggest you do the same in New Mexico before you castigate me.
I'm not saying you aren't; I'm just warning you that your vote will be read by those in power as a this candidate is acceptable
, which as far as they're concerned [which is only as far as your vote], is exactly the case. So, there is no incentive for them to offer anyone better than what they have as they can count on you to hold your nose
and pull for their lesser of two evils
guy.
Afterwards it`s: 'Now shut up, you conservative twit, and go sit in the corner till we need you again.'
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