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To: Vigilanteman
For true contrast, Fredrick Douglass didn't have a lot of kind words to say about Baltimore, which was far closer to your typical northern industrial city than New Bedford. New York or the steel mills of Pittsburgh (where slavery was illegal) would have only been a slight improvement over Baltimore.

I have to disagree with you there. New Bedford was a shipping port, albeit smaller than Baltimore, but still reliant on fishing and trade just as Baltimore was.

As to Pittsburgh, being a native and having some parts of the family going back to the Civil War era, the average working man there, as well as his family did far better than their counterparts in the southern states.

The only relative I know of who was a veteran of that war was a great uncle of my mother who was born in 1914. She knew this elderly uncle when she was a young child.

Looking at his records, he was a worker in an iron foundry when the civil war broke out. He listed his occupation on his enlistment forms as a 'puddler.' They were the guys who walked right up to the furnace, took a sample of the iron and poured it into a mold and decided if the entire heat were ready for a pour.

That was a tough and dangerous job, but he owned his own home and had a family when he enlisted in the Union Army.

Comparing his circumstances to that of a slave is night and day.

113 posted on 10/13/2014 6:36:13 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto
I don't doubt your observations, but a lot of it depends on the particular plantation compared with the particular plant or mill.

Our own area (east of Pittsburgh) is full of people of Eastern European and Italian descent who will tell you just how horrible their ancestors had it in the local mills before the advent of unions.

It is why so many of them still instinctively pull the "Democrat" lever even if they have almost nothing in common with the modern version of slavemasters.

123 posted on 10/14/2014 7:13:48 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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