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Cruising at 37,000 feet-is this TOO CLOSE?
9/20/2014 | Myself

Posted on 09/20/2014 3:25:22 PM PDT by rlmorel

Cruising at 37,00 feet eastbound, surfing the Internet, I paused for a second and looked out the window and saw another airliner flash by going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

I readily admit I am no good at estimating relative distance in the air, I have never seen another plane pass this close...ever.

I could have read the tail number, it was that close, but I was so startled I didn't even register the kind of plane it was, though it was white with an engine under each wing.

Here is where it happened, at 1750 EST:



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To: rlmorel
blackdog wrote:
West bound cruise altitudes are even altitudes, east bound are odd altitudes. The airway is about 1/2 mile wide.

Said the Gol Airlines pilots to the passengers (rather, north/south)...

IMHO flying is Russian Roulette. So many variables, so many lackadaisical human factors. Add in underpaid & overworked pilots & ATC...

81 posted on 09/20/2014 5:42:31 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: rlmorel

These days with super accurate GPS, everyone is very close laterally. However, with super accurate altimeters the 1000 foot vertical clearance in RVSM air space is more than adequate. It just looks close because you don’t see it all the time. In the flight deck we see that 1000 kt closure rate all the time.


82 posted on 09/20/2014 6:12:12 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: rlmorel
Are there any Freeper airline pilots out there who can shed any light on this?

No FReeper pilot can shed any light on this whatsoever, because it didn't happen.

Planes going different directions don't share the same altitudes. It's in the rule book, it's in the law, and it doesn't happen.

Ever.

Understand?


83 posted on 09/20/2014 6:15:36 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Or post#75!


84 posted on 09/20/2014 6:25:40 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: Talisker

LOL...maybe that’s Russian airspace!


85 posted on 09/20/2014 6:26:18 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: Tzfat

I knew I could get informed opinions in here!

Ah, finally on my last leg home...long day!


86 posted on 09/20/2014 6:27:31 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: logi_cal869

Thing is, we are all human. I work in medicine, and the same applies. Ya gotta trust someone, or you might as will just start digging the 6 foot hole now...


87 posted on 09/20/2014 6:29:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: rlmorel

Eh, I was able to give a partial number to the pilots once.

Play the lottery tonight!!


88 posted on 09/20/2014 6:34:24 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Eh, I was able to give a partial number to the pilots once.

"Well, it started with "N". And that's all I remember." ;)

89 posted on 09/20/2014 6:44:20 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: rlmorel
My point is that there is statistical data to demonstrate that aircraft should have lateral AND vertical separation limits on opposing vectors. ACAS may be good, but +1000 closing rate reduces reaction times when S DOES HTF...

I don't trust anyone. AND I'll be putting Sharpie to skin when I go into the operating theater. No offense, but statistics don't lie.

90 posted on 09/20/2014 6:53:18 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Tzfat

The altimeters in the small planes I have flown are only accurate if you have set it to the current barometric pressure.


91 posted on 09/20/2014 7:05:08 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“Suddenly I found myself staring down the barrel of three.45s and the one in the middle looked like it meant business...’’


92 posted on 09/20/2014 7:09:05 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: rlmorel

Rimorel - I’ve been reading your posts for years. Actually it’s getting more like decades. Based on that experience - if you say the plane was close, I’m believing the plane was CLOSE!

Next week I think I’ll choose an aisle seat and not look out the window.


93 posted on 09/20/2014 8:01:49 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: rlmorel
Seen this scenario unfold many times, particularly on the New York to Miami route, which coincides with the same corridor from most of the major cities of the Northeast with the West Palm / Miami origins and destinations. Seen the 180° more than once, and the relative speed was incredible to witness, though, more often, I've witnessed aircraft intersect the flight path gradually, over nearly a half-hour's time.

All in all, however, more often other aircraft are easier to witness in holding patterns, waiting for a landing opportunity.

94 posted on 09/20/2014 8:47:19 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: rlmorel

Everybody seems to assume the pilots of the two planes were not in contact and didn’t know about each other.

But if they were in contact, then no problem whatsoever. They probably waved at each other.


95 posted on 09/20/2014 8:52:27 PM PDT by DNME (This is the government our Founders warned us about.)
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To: KeyLargo

It does get busy sometimes so it is not unusual to see many planes going by..... : )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgYrY8fN-0


96 posted on 09/21/2014 1:16:58 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

Another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgHjVvqLXV8


97 posted on 09/21/2014 1:19:17 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: BwanaNdege

No, 1000 feet. East to West fly at even 1.000’s, wast to east at odd 1,000’s.


98 posted on 09/21/2014 4:04:59 AM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: rlmorel

Planes headed in opposite directions are supposed to fly in different Flight levels. From heading 000 to 179 an odd flight level ( odd thousands of feet)
Those headed 180 to 359 an even flight level, all in increments of 5000 feet.


99 posted on 09/21/2014 4:13:46 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to bevy America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: rlmorel

While going East on a compass heading a plane above 3000 feet should be at odd intervals, 3500, 5500, 7500 etc.
Going west on a compass heading of 181 to 360 above 3000 feet a plane should be at 4500, 6500,8500 etc.
This is for VFR or visual flight rules.
While traveling IFR or Instrument flight rules one should be at 5000, 7000 9000 etc going east and 4000, 6000 , 800 etc while going west.
Bt bt bt, that’s all folks.


100 posted on 09/21/2014 4:50:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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