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To: BuckeyeTexan

For anyone interested in the truth, As most of us have read in various mainstream media reports, watched on television interviews and you tube clips, Rick Perry, in context has said time and time again he opposes a real fence. He supports a ‘smart fence’ which is not a fence at all. It is a system of electronics that Democrats came up with to turn off when they need more voters coming across unopposed...which was of course prior to the current method of simply standing down the border patrol and bussing them in directly with no GOP opposition.

Perhaps it is a new thing that Perry can make a definitive statement multiple times on camera and somehow the words “I oppose the border fence” followed by mocking conservatives who support it with 35 foot ladder ‘jokes’, mean something other than the fact he opposed a border fence. Such a conclusion can only be obtained through interpretative dance. Because it has nothing to do with factual honesty.

Secondly, To believe that the No Border Wall group has no connection to LaRaza, dispute sharing resources, members, backing the same cause in the same area, posting each others articles and more, one would logically have to believe that groups like ACORN had/have no association to the Democrat party.

Third, both the southern Cal border Patrol office assigned to the fence in the San Diego sector credits it with a massive reduction in illegal crossings. Half a world away, Israel’s border fence had a reported high 90% effectiveness rate. In both cases that translates to massively fewer illegals crossing the border. As above, a quick search of google or any other search engine will yield literally tens of thousands of articles regarding the successes and effectiveness of these fences.

Lastly, when someone posts information claiming wall/fences do not work from groups whose sole agenda is to facilitate illegal immigration, it speaks for itself.


734 posted on 09/19/2014 5:53:02 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Third, both the southern Cal border Patrol office assigned to the fence in the San Diego sector credits it with a massive reduction in illegal crossings.

A massive reduction? Let's examine the numbers, shall we?

The double pedestrian fencing in the San Diego sector was complete in 2005. So let's look directly at the Border Patrol apprehension data from 2005 to 2012, when the current surge began due to Obama's announcement of no deportation for minors.

Year 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Big Bend 10,536 7,520 5,536 5,391 6,360 5,288 4,036 3,964
Del Rio 68,506 42,636 22,920 20,761 17,082 14,694 16,144 21,720
El Centro 55,722 61,465 55,883 40,961 33,521 32,562 30,191 23,916
El Paso 122,679 122,256 75,464 30,312 14,999 12,251 10,345 9,678
Laredo 75,346 74,840 56,714 43,658 40,569 35,287 36,053 44,872
Rio Grande Valley 134,136 110,528 73,430 75,473 60,989 59,766 59,243 97,762
San Diego 126,904 142,104 152,460 162,390 118,721 68,565 42,447 28,461
Tucson 439,079 392,074 378,239 317,696 241,673 212,202 123,285 120,000
Yuma 138,438 118,549 37,992 8,363 6,951 7,116 5,833 6,500

As you can see, San Diego's apprehensions went up not down from 2005 to 2009. Nearly every other sector's apprehensions, the ones without double fencing or any fencing at all, went down.

From 2009 to 2011, San Diego's apprehensions went down significantly. So did nearly every other sector's apprehensions. Remember, those sectors don't have double fencing. Some have no fencing. So the double fence in San Diego had been there for four years. Did the fence suddenly become a substantial deterrent?

What happened in 2009 that caused such a drop in apprehensions, not just in San Diego, but all across the southern border? Well, from 2005 to 2009, we increased the number of Border Patrol agents from 11, 264 to 20,119, of whom 17,399 are deployed to the southern border. And we increased technological detection and enforcement capabilities, such as cameras, radar, sensors, and towers. (i.e. your dreaded "smart fencing")

Then, in 2012, apprehensions jumped all across the southern border when Obama announced he wouldn't bother with deporting minors.

In short, Norm, the attribution of apprehension reductions in San Diego to the double pedestrian fencing is a myth.

By the way, Rick Perry is not the only one who supports strategic fencing. Here's what The Heritage Foundation has to say about border fencing:

In some areas, erecting fences is the best way to tackle the illegal-entry problem. But the cost makes it important to use fencing only in areas with a low "melting point." The melting point is the time it takes for an individual to cross the border and "melt" into a landscape unnoticed. In urban border communities, spending money on physical barriers makes sense because individuals can easily cross the border and sneak quickly into the urban landscape (for example, one can hide in a building or steal a car and drive away). But in other areas, like the middle of the desert, the barren landscape makes it easy for Border Patrol agents to detect border crossers.

797 posted on 09/19/2014 10:56:49 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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