Posted on 08/18/2014 10:13:52 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
A preliminary autopsy commissioned by the family of Michael Brown suggests that there was no sign of a struggle in his death, and that all but one of at least six gunshot wounds in his body were likely survivable, according to Dr. Michael Baden, a renowned New York forensic pathologist who performed a private autopsy after a Ferguson, Mo., police officer killed the unarmed, black 18-year-old.
Baden said in his preliminary autopsy that he believes Brown would not have been able to survive the bullet that hit at the top of his head and traveled through his brain.
Appearing Monday before reporters in the sanctuary of the Greater St. Mark Family Church in St. Louis, Baden and three of the familys attorneys went through the diagram of Browns wounds that was released with the autopsy.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
So far, Every statement the police have made has been verified.
If , by 'facts' you mean the crap the MSM is trying to shovel then I can see why you think there is a problem.
Tell me this. Where did the 'robbery' occur ?
Ferguson Shooting Shock: Witness Unwittingly Captured on Audio Corroborates Police Story
However, the previously unnoticed conversation which starts at 6:28 and involves a black male eyewitness (#2) relating what had transpired to a curious onlooker (#1) tells a different tale (presented as transcribed by ConservativeTreehouse.com):
#1 Howd he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus the police had his gun drawn already on him
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and Im thinking the police kept missing he like be like but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots the next thing I know the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know ... Im thinking ... the dude started running ... (garbled something about he took it from him)
This is significant because its evidence supporting the Ferguson Polices account, which is that the officer in question, Darren Wilson, fired in self-defense while facing the prospect of grievous bodily harm. It also corroborates Wilsons version of events, as related by a friend of his:
He [Officer Darren Wilson] pulled up ahead of them [Michael Brown and the other suspect]. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery, and they gave a description. And hes looking at them, and they got something in their hands, and it looks like it could be what, you know, those cigars [stolen during the robbery] or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and them [sic] Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And Darrens first protocol is to pursue, so he stands up and yells Freeze! Michael and his friend turn around, and Michael taunts him And then all the sudden he [Brown] just started bum-rushing him; he just started coming at him full speed. And so he [Wilson] just started shooting. And he just kept coming. And so he [Wilson] really thinks he was on something.
What should one conclude? IJReview.com makes the following point:
Its far too unlikely that these two accounts are similar accidentally, having been from such disparate sources. The seeming witness in the background conversation is speaking with detail about the tragic shooting, and in a manner that runs contrary to the widespread version. Those who watch the video need to judge for themselves if the witness sounds reliable (but he would seemingly have nothing to gain by telling such a story.) [sic]
Above being a Forensic Pathologist, he is a Medical Physician, first.
From: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Dr%20Baden
Michael M. Baden is a physician and board-certified forensic pathologist
Not meant to be argumentative!
Then there was this:
"A friend of Brown's told News 4 Saturday they were walking on the street when the officer approached them. He said they had their arms up when police opened fire."
A complete lie. Dorian was crouched behind the nearest car, egging Mike on with "GO BRO".
No, because eyewitnesses (even honest ones) are not really reliable witnesses.
But the police did some things here that are tweaking my BS meter:
1. The first officers on the scene after the shooting reportedly seized cell phones from witnesses on scene.
2. The Ferguson PD are refusing to release the initial incident report despite public records laws that say they have to. They refused the ACLU saying that it is part of an investigation but an initial incident report is just that. It is NOT part of the investigation. It is what starts the investigation.
3. The official narrative keeps changing, sometimes just subtly, as more facts surface. Like I said in another post, that official narrative is documented on FR for all to see. And I say that it is suspicious for the official narrative to change like that.
4. Initially the Ferguson PD asserted that Brown's prior behavior had NOTHING to do with this incident and that the incident was isolated. Yet now it seems they're running a PR campaign that makes the case that Brown deserved to be shot. Apparently that's quite the successful campaign given what I'm seeing on FR.
My problem with the inconsistencies in the official narrative is that the cops would go batshit crazy if a private citizen was involved in a shooting and then their story kept morphing as new information came out. In this I am just holding their feet to their own fire lest they do the same thing to me or mine...or you.
Do you know how far away from the vehicle the officer was when he finished firing ?
Baden would also need patient consent to examine Officer Wilson. I don’t see any defensible reason why Officer Wilson should submit to an exam by a potential expert witness for a potential plaintiff in a civil suit. As much as I am concerned about Brown’s rights I’m also fair about defending Wilson’s rights.
CNN Airs Officers Side of Story, as Recounted by Friend of Darren Wilson
Michael takes off with his friend, she continued. And they get to be about 35 feet away. Josie asserted that Wilson then followed police protocol by pursuing Brown and telling him to freeze. She claimed that Brown started hounding the officer, suggesting he wouldnt actually fire the weapon at the teenagers.
they are trying to hang the officer for using excessive force and killing him.what I was pointing out is they can make the point that the officer was not trying to kill him...only when he could not stop him did he kill him
Here is a picture of it.
The MEDIA has read it, they just haven't let YOU see it because it doesn't help 'the cause'.
No problem. Without a POINT - COUNTER POINT discussion here on FR, we would learn nothing new. It wouldn't be much of a discussion forum if only one 'side' to an issue was heard or discussed.
Agreed!
My contention is where he said, as I understand his remarks, that M. Brown’s body showed no evidence in physical fight. In many beat downs there can be one party without marks. If Wilson threw no punches and was only warding off blows there easily could be no marks on M. Brown.
Your Straw. Your Man.
Which is, itself, a straw man.
Doubling down on stupidity is possible, but rarely is it ever advisable.
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Typical response when you can’t defend your statement.
Ferguson PD Incident Report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236905827/Ferguson-Incident-Report
(as cited by article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/michael-brown-police-report_n_5682033.html)
“Im just holding Officer Wilson to the same standard hed apply to everyone else”
It’s a flawed exercise.
no waiting with anticipation for shell casing locations also..don’t know if suspect had forward motion after fatal wound..im aware of other case where person running long ways with fatal wound (not to head)
I’m sure that it’s because of dinner, or kids, or hubby that you may be busy and unable to respond, but...
You have had nothing to say since you found out the police report IS available, but the media didn’t ‘feed’ it to you so you think the cops were hiding it.
It is a difficult road we walk, where the same MEDIA we trust to give us information likes nothing better than to lie to us.
How was he going to get to college ?
There is , of course, the bus lines, but do gang members really take a bus to go to 'college' ?
The football player???? I don’t know why I shouldn’t say his name as it was all over....but is that who you mean?
You really think there were two that night? I’ve digested everything there was on that case and I never thought that. I wore out a VCR taping all the trial - no kidding. I joked that I would when I set it each day but I wanted to watch it each night after work even tho’ I had my radio on during work and could listen. Maddening but my boss at the time decided OJ was innocent and was a friend of Ron Phillips who went to the scene at Bundy with Fuhrman...we didn’t see eye to eye at all on the case. I was glued to my radio when the verdict was read and he was gleeful. I wanted to cry.
Curious as to why you believe there were two killers!
imo prosecution just lost piaget as one of their star witnesss, see interview cnn nbderson cooper she backed off and fudged on the hands up she made a motion supposedly of what she saw
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