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Teens risk brain damage, low IQ from weekly pot smoking
Gant Daily ^ | 8-15-2014

Posted on 08/18/2014 6:28:55 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

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To: DiogenesLamp
It's a fact so doesn't need to "square" with anything.

Oh, so philosophical consistency is NOT important?

That doesn't follow from what I said. Logic continues to escape you.

101 posted on 08/18/2014 11:20:01 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Or “I want my New Deal Commerce Clause because weed!”


102 posted on 08/18/2014 11:20:57 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: strider44; DiogenesLamp
I also agree with you about using the fact that alcohol is legal to justify legalizing pot is absolutely ridiculous.

It's also something nobody on this thread is doing - that's just DL's straw man.

103 posted on 08/18/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: strider44
I hear you, but that can send you down a rabbit hole. Some father may spend all his extra time playing video games and ignore his kids. That’s just as bad. maybe not a good example, but you get my point.

Let us place the threshold at "requiring public assistance." It is my personal opinion that any father who is allowing someone else to pay for his kids should not be enjoying himself, whether it be from drugs or any other cause.

Want to toke or play video games all day? Pay for your kids!

If some private business man makes a good salary, owns a home, pays his/her taxes, etc, but wants to get stoned in their backyard around a campfire every weekend - it’s on them.

And this is eminently less objectionable. You eliminate injury to others (dependents or taxpayers) and you've begin to have a reasonable argument in favor of letting people play with drugs, though i'm not sure whether or not the conditions will remain stable long term.

I’m a father of 3 boys age 9,8 and 3. I never smoked pot. Not once. Yeah, drank some beer in High School, went to keg parties in College, etc. I knew plenty of people who smoked pot, most turned out fine. But no, I don’t want my sons to touch pot. I will always vote against legalization.

Pot doesn't destroy everybody. Neither does alcohol. But it does destroy some. The question is, what sort of losses should we regard as acceptable?

104 posted on 08/18/2014 11:25:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Now you know better.

No I don't. You still sound like a neophyte who has no grasp of what drugs do to far too many otherwise innocent people.

105 posted on 08/18/2014 11:27:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Legalization for adults is the most effective way to reduce access to marijuana by young people, through harnessing the power of the market: young people report that they can currently get illegal-for-all pot more easily than legal-for-adults beer or cigarettes.

This is right out of scripture from the Religion of Pot. I have been hearing this nonsense going back almost a decade, and only the truly pious members of the church of the green weed believe nonsense such as this.

Who are these "Young People" who so report? Stoners? Not a good cross section of the available demographic if you ask me. Sure, Stoner teens can find weed because they've worked diligently to set up their supply lines.

Other kids? Not so much. Unless they know a stoner or something.

106 posted on 08/18/2014 11:31:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Want to toke or play video games all day? Pay for your kids!

I'm all for that ... now how do we enforce it: banning video games and pot? Or something more narrowly tailored?

107 posted on 08/18/2014 11:32:29 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Sounds like you know Lil Mikey personally to make that claim (that he is a pothead).

Nope, but someone in a much more authoritative position knows better than both of us:

County investigation: Michael Brown was shot from the front, had marijuana in his system

108 posted on 08/18/2014 11:32:30 AM PDT by Vision Thing (obama wants his suicidal worshipers to become suicidal bombers.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Aren't you the clever one.

Perhaps if you put down the bud you could be clever too.

109 posted on 08/18/2014 11:33:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Come on. You clearly feel that pot should be legal because alcohol is legal. Its classic 2 wrongs don’t make a right. My 8 year-old gets would get this.


110 posted on 08/18/2014 11:34:37 AM PDT by strider44
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To: F15Eagle

And of course, the picture on CNN’s website this morning was Brown in his graduation cap and gown.


111 posted on 08/18/2014 11:34:47 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
That doesn't follow from what I said. Logic continues to escape you.

It's not escaping, you keep letting it go.

112 posted on 08/18/2014 11:35:07 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: ConservingFreedom
It's also something nobody on this thread is doing - that's just DL's straw man.

Which bears a very strong resemblance to this guy.

But it isn't straw, it's hemp.

113 posted on 08/18/2014 11:37:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Who are these "Young People" who so report?

"This survey was conducted by telephone, utilizing a random-digit-dial technique (RDD), in which a pool of telephone numbers was created representing all 48 continental states in proportion to their population, using extensive information concerning telephone number assignments across the country. The random generation of telephone numbers has the advantage of capturing unlisted numbers. This pool of randomly generated telephone numbers was prepared by Survey Sampling, Inc. of Connecticut.

"The random-digit telephone numbers were called, and the household was qualified for participation in the survey by determining that a teen 12- to 17-years old lived in the household (see Appendix C for screening questions). At least four call back attempts were made to each telephone number before the telephone number was rejected."

http://www.casacolumbia.org/download/file/fid/640

114 posted on 08/18/2014 11:38:33 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: strider44
You clearly feel that pot should be legal because alcohol is legal.

Beat that straw man. It's easier than addressing what I've actually said.

115 posted on 08/18/2014 11:39:44 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Perhaps if you put down the bud

BING-BING-BING! There's the baseless accusation of drug use. Your John Walters kewpie doll is in the mail.

116 posted on 08/18/2014 11:41:42 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
I'm all for that ... now how do we enforce it: banning video games and pot? Or something more narrowly tailored?

Licenses. Issued automatically, and only revoked for cause. You on food assistance? License is revoked. You involved in a DUI accident? License is revoked.

Buying weed without a license, the seller is fined out the @ss and the buyer goes to jail.

Those who can manage their lives with weed can do so, those who cannot can be filtered out. The majority of people who can do so responsibly will keep the minority who cannot under control by seeing the merits of adhering to the law.

It's what we do with cars, trucks, explosives, plumbing, pharmaceuticals, and other potentially dangerous things.

117 posted on 08/18/2014 11:42:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: strider44
>"Its classic 2 wrongs don’t make a right. My 8 year-old gets would get this."

So recriminalize booze, and watch as another Capone is created and murders and maims?

No? So just sit back and watch our LEO's become Nazi death squads murdering citizens and the new Capones?

What happened to the liquor cartels again? Why aren't they still smuggling booze? Why aren't they still making $$$$ off prohibition?

2 wrongs, or Too wrong!

118 posted on 08/18/2014 11:44:28 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I'm all for that ... now how do we enforce it: banning video games and pot? Or something more narrowly tailored?

Licenses. Issued automatically, and only revoked for cause.

That would beat the Hell out of the status quo.

119 posted on 08/18/2014 11:44:29 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Beat that straw man. It's easier than addressing what I've actually said.

Well I recall you did use the word "Alcohol" and you did invite a comparison. If you are making a different argument, it is so subtle that no one can discern it.

The only thing that sticks out is "We need Pot because Alcohol." Again, no other message is coming through.

Perhaps you could rephrase your point without using words like "booze, or Alcohol", then perhaps we could see what you are getting at.

120 posted on 08/18/2014 11:46:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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