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To: OneWingedShark
Why not?
Wouldn't this essentially boil down to recognizing that others are their own moral agents and, ultimately, responsible to God?


Not if those "Free moral agents" tried to force their sinfulness onto everyone else by passing laws legalizing the worst of immoral behavior.

Hence your quandary.

Not if you were to consult the Founders, if you could.

They believed in our rights coming from the God described in the Bible.

They furthermore believed in a moral foundation to the culture of the United States as evidenced by their support of laws against Sodomy, Divorce etc. at least at the State level.

They very clearly stated that this governmental system that they had given us was meant to be for Christian nation and if this nation walked away from God it would fail.

Finally, can anyone seriously argue that if the Founders had even the slightest clue that their Progeny would embrace buggery, pervert marriage, and the murder of unborn children that they would not have included amendments to the Constitution forbidding such practices?
64 posted on 08/04/2014 8:04:09 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Not if those "Free moral agents" tried to force their sinfulness onto everyone else by passing laws legalizing the worst of immoral behavior.

The law does not, and cannot, save; it only condemns.

(Gal 3:19-29)
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring[i] would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a mediator. 20 Now a mediator involves more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law then opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could make alive, then righteousness would indeed come through the law. 22 But the scripture has imprisoned all things under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ[j] might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. 27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring,[k] heirs according to the promise.

If you are trying to make people righteous via the law then you are doomed to failure; what you need is the power of God unto salvation, Jesus Christ — it is only He who will change hearts.


Leaving that aside for a moment though, by what authority under the Constitution would you have law produced?
Remember that the Constitution was made with a mind to limit the federal government, and by amendment 10 nothing that is not explicitly under the purview of the federal government by the Constitution is to be under either the States or the people.

By asserting that these problems are federal in nature you are asserting that the servant [fedgov] is greate than the master [the states/people].

75 posted on 08/04/2014 8:21:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SoConPubbie
They furthermore believed in a moral foundation to the culture of the United States as evidenced by their support of laws against Sodomy, Divorce etc. at least at the State level.

We are talking about the federal level; right? (At least I was.)

76 posted on 08/04/2014 8:22:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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