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Doctors respond to parents of Down syndrome newborns with cruelty and callousness
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Posted on 07/24/2014 1:20:20 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: BykrBayb; Lazamataz

Mine too.

Except of course for you and Lazamataz.

(Those rumors are true, right?)


101 posted on 07/25/2014 11:18:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: bluedogpdx
And, no, I’m not a pro lifer no matter what.

May not be prolife, but looks like you are pro zot.


102 posted on 07/25/2014 11:30:06 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: BykrBayb

1/200 is a dinosaur number from the 1980’s. WebMD should be updated.

The accepted number is 1/1600:

“The amniocentesis-related potential fetal loss was calculated based on the traditional fetal loss rate of 1/200 as well as the recently published loss rate of 1/1600 ...
CONCLUSIONS:

Our analysis suggests that the benefit of genetic amniocentesis for the sole indication of AMA far outweighs the potential amniocentesis-related fetal loss rate...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18999912

“Eddleman et al compared pregnancy losses between 31,907 women in the FASTER trial who did not undergo amniocentesis with 3096 who did, and found that the difference between the 2 groups was 0.06% or 1/1600. 21

Odibo et al compared outcomes in 11,746 women undergoing amniocentesis with 39,811 controls not having amniocentesis.23 The fetal loss rate prior to 24 weeks was not significantly different between the 2 groups

...Compared to amniocentesis, CVS may be associated with a higher pregnancy loss rate (defined either as total losses or losses up to 28 weeks) of 0.9% (Table 1).

http://contemporaryobgyn.modernmedicine.com/contemporary-obgyn/news/RC/smfm-consult-risks-chorionic-villus-sampling-and-amniocentesis?page=full


103 posted on 07/25/2014 11:30:09 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: bluedogpdx

Are you employed or employable?
Trolling internet forums is not employment.
Perhaps, by your troll logic, your mother should have... Naaah.
Enjoy your zot.


104 posted on 07/25/2014 11:43:44 AM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: blueplum

Please do not advocate for abortion on FR for any reason whatsoever. The child is innocent in all cases.


105 posted on 07/25/2014 12:02:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: BykrBayb
Amnios may soon be replaced by a method that has no risk of spontaneous abortions:

Several cell-free fetal DNA and RNA technologies are under development to test a pregnancy for aneuploidy, mostly focusing on Down syndrome testing. Sampling of cffDNA from maternal blood for analysis by massively parallel sequencing (MPSS) is estimated to have a sensitivity of between 96 and 100%, and a specificity between 94 and 100% for detecting Down syndrome. It can be performed at 10 weeks of gestational age. (Wikipedia)

That, of course, still leaves the moral issue that 92% of diagnosed Down's children are aborted. With no risk and very high selectivity and specificity, however, it will not be possible to argue against testing. MPSS sequencing of cffDNA also tests for other conditions. It will become standard for all pregnancies.

Abortion in the case of a positive DS diagnosis will remain both a public policy and personal morality issue, but many of the concerns discussed above will become mute.

106 posted on 07/25/2014 12:08:50 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: bluedogpdx

>> And pro lifer absolutists lost most of the moral standing

Abort ‘em cuz the rents ain’t smiling?

What about the visibly perfect child that turns to methamphetamine. Are his parents still smiling?


107 posted on 07/25/2014 12:13:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jim Robinson

>> The child is innocent in all cases.

Exactly!


108 posted on 07/25/2014 12:14:50 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: wagglebee

The troll’s comments were like something you would have expected from the eugenics movement in the 1930s....

Oh like the modern day Democrats? I couldn’t agree more.


109 posted on 07/25/2014 12:22:53 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wagglebee

It wouldn’t be the first time....


110 posted on 07/25/2014 1:11:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: blueplum

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:bluedogpdx/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
Blueplum, bluedogpdx, both 2007 signups, both advocating for abortion on a conservative forum.
Hmm..
Tagteam?


111 posted on 07/25/2014 1:29:07 PM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: TheOldLady

His screen name included the phrase “blue dog”. Is anyone surprised?


112 posted on 07/25/2014 2:16:32 PM PDT by arderkrag (Chaste women, sober men, obedient children, and "sin laws" - the four horsemen of the apocalypse.)
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To: Darksheare
That's my thought too.
113 posted on 07/25/2014 2:18:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gene Eric
What about the visibly perfect child that turns to methamphetamine. Are his parents still smiling?

At any given time, look at just about any parent of a teenager and see if they smile when asked about their child's attitude, etc.

114 posted on 07/25/2014 2:22:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blueplum; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; ...

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Doctors respond to parents of Down syndrome newborns with cruelty and callousness, blueplum wrote:

“Genetic counseling for middle-aged couples, prior to pregnancy, done together, followed by timely screening for abnormalities that both parents are made aware of, is as essential for a successful outcome for the child as is testing for incompatible blood types between 18yo potential newlyweds.”

Nonsense. “Genetic Counseling” is a fraud. EVERY time friends of mine have been through that fraud, “abnormalities” have been found. Thankfully they all ignored the “science” and carried the child to term. All but one have been fine, that one is a darling little girl with Down’s - and the happiest child I know.


115 posted on 07/25/2014 3:22:35 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: TheOldLady; All
*crunchy!*
well..someone must feed the Kittens!

116 posted on 07/25/2014 4:31:23 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Morgana

A very good friend of mine has a downs syndrome daughter and she is married to a downs syndrome man. They are very happy and keep very busy. Through my friend I have met several downs syndrome children and adults, they are wonderful people.


117 posted on 07/25/2014 4:35:07 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: arderkrag
His screen name included the phrase “blue dog”. Is anyone surprised?

It was pretty obvious immediately.

And the "I'm very pro-life, but we should kill all the DS fetuses" was another red flag as well.
118 posted on 07/25/2014 6:49:06 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: skinkinthegrass

Hi, Skink. Nice to see you.

Yes! The Kitties must be fed, and regularly. :)


119 posted on 07/25/2014 6:52:15 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: HerrBlucher

When we lived in California, the home for challenged children took a small group of their charges to the
grocery store at the same time and on the same day of the week as I went.

Those children and young adults were the sweetest people I’ve ever met. They enjoyed being greeted and
remembered from week to week, and the slightest compliment would light up their faces with big smiles.

Seeing them each week is one of the things I miss the most about living in California.


120 posted on 07/25/2014 6:59:45 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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