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I've read a number of pieces on the centenary of the Great War, some of them very good. This one is the best, and most thoughtful. A must read.

h/t The Z Blog.

1 posted on 07/14/2014 12:17:39 PM PDT by mojito
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WWI was nothing more than dying empires gasping for breath and trying to remain relevant.

If the U.S. would have stayed out of it, the Great Powers would have battled to a draw and none of the other problems would have occurred later.

2 posted on 07/14/2014 12:22:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Bump for later.


3 posted on 07/14/2014 12:32:35 PM PDT by PapaNew
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Thank you for posting this. It’s the best article on the subject I’ve yet come across.


4 posted on 07/14/2014 12:32:58 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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Thanks Moj, interesting read.

I would critique the statement that churches lost respect because they supported the war. Paul Johnson wrote that the war was universally popular among intellectuals, academics and the elite as a 'great cause' to defeat the Hun. So it wasn't the church only.

6 posted on 07/14/2014 12:38:18 PM PDT by virgil283 (When attacked by clowns go for the juggler)
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7 posted on 07/14/2014 12:48:03 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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Bump for later.

There is simply no getting around the fact that WWI was totally unnecessary and set in motion geopolitical events that are still affecting the world today.

8 posted on 07/14/2014 12:52:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I am a fan of Rudyard Kipling, who was very much alive and writing during the Great War. The same cannot be said for his son, who died on the Western Front serving as a young officer in the Irish Guards. Kipling spoke of the agony of his generation at what they had wrought:

The Children

THESE were our children who died for our lands: they were dear in our sight.
We have only the memory left of their hometreasured sayings and laughter.
The price of our loss shall be paid to our hands, not another’s hereafter.
Neither the Alien nor Priest shall decide on it. That is our right.
But who shall return us the children ?

At the hour the Barbarian chose to disclose his pretences,
And raged against Man, they engaged, on the breasts that they bared for us,
The first felon-stroke of the sword he had longtime prepared for us -
Their bodies were all our defence while we wrought our defences.

They bought us anew with their blood, forbearing to blame us,
Those hours which we had not made good when the Judgment o’ercame us.
They believed us and perished for it. Our statecraft, our learning
Delivered them bound to the Pit and alive to the burning
Whither they mirthfully hastened as jostling for honour.
Not since her birth has our Earth seen such worth loosed upon her!

Nor was their agony brief, or once only imposed on them.
The wounded, the war-spent, the sick received no exemption:
Being cured they returned and endured and achieved our redemption,
Hopeless themselves of relief, till Death, marvelling, closed on them.

That flesh we had nursed from the first in all cleanness was given
To corruption unveiled and assailed by the malice of Heaven -
By the heart-shaking jests of Decay where it lolled on the wires
To be blanched or gay-painted by fumes - to be cindered by fires -
To be senselessly tossed and retossed in stale mutilation
From crater to crater. For this we shall take expiation.
But who shall return us our children ?


9 posted on 07/14/2014 12:57:53 PM PDT by centurion316
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“Germany in 1914 hardly cared about Britain at all, and quite reasonably could not understand why London entered the war. It was more or less incomprehensible. To this day it is hard to see any British interest that was served, and dozens that were damaged.”

I'm not so sure about that. Up to the first war, there was a race going on between Germany and England.

All over the world, navies were switching from coal to oil power. In nations where resources were available, dreadnoughts were replacing coal burning ships at an incredible speed. The militarism of Germany could not be ignored by a country like England whose security and stability owed SO much to it's navy.

Kaiser Bill HAD to be contained and for the most part, the Imperial Navy was kept off the major oceans. German dreadnought's were more or less bottled up in the northern ports and German submarines were challenged when and where ever the British navy could find them.

It was do or die for the Brits. The British hung on by a thread for a very long time and finally won out.

10 posted on 07/14/2014 12:58:58 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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I just ordered the book on Aamzon! Thanks for the suggestion!


12 posted on 07/14/2014 1:23:25 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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Very interesting. Author makes compelling point that Europe and the civilized world in general would have been very different without the Great War. I an imagine a sort of genteel steam-punk world.

He is spot on in identifying 1914 as the start of a long war that went on until at least 1989; perhaps we are still in the midst of it.

I read “Catastrophe” he cites about the first few months of the War - the book ends with the soccer truce of Christmas 1914.

A possible different take - that Europe was not so calm before the War - is contained in “1913: The Year Before the Storm.” This book does an excellent job of detailing the turmoil already present in Europe, particularly in the arts, that served as a type of omen, at least in retrospect.

Fun fact from “1913”: in January 1913, Hitler, Stalin, and Freud were all living in Vienna and took walks in the same park.

13 posted on 07/14/2014 1:26:36 PM PDT by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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And so many of the belligerents were grandchildren of Queen Victoria.
14 posted on 07/14/2014 1:29:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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Excellent article!


16 posted on 07/14/2014 1:58:28 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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Bookmark for later.


18 posted on 07/14/2014 2:12:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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later


19 posted on 07/14/2014 2:23:19 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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" It was a hopeless and dangerous delusion of Napoleonic grandeur, well-symbolized by the absurd scarlet and blue uniforms, perfect targets for German guns, in which legions of French soldiers rushed to their deaths in mad, suicidal attacks in August 1914."

"Le pantalon rouge c'est la France!"

I thought Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August" was an excellent read about WWI (which is where I first saw the quote about red pants).

24 posted on 07/14/2014 4:23:28 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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bfl


28 posted on 07/14/2014 6:11:10 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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Thanks for this post.


29 posted on 07/14/2014 6:13:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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The negative influence of WW I can never be over-stated.

It ushered in the absolute destruction of so much that was civilized, and paved the way for so much that was barbaric, that we can still see the effect every time we stroll through an American city.


33 posted on 07/14/2014 7:20:59 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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34 posted on 07/14/2014 7:24:33 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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35 posted on 07/14/2014 7:58:17 PM PDT by IChing
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