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To: trebb

RE: If you think that homosexuals should be able to stop indulging in their sinful sexual desires, then you need to go through a whole day with absolutely zero sinful thoughts/actions/words. If you think you can actually do it, then congratulations - Jesus did not have to die on your behalf.

I direct you to what I wrote on a previous post. Here is what I wrote above:

The church ( including the Roman Catholic church ) has always taught that Homosexual desires,are not in themselves sinful.

People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out.

People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they ACT upon those desires in some manner.


138 posted on 06/06/2014 4:28:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they ACT upon those desires in some manner.

And Jesus told us that if we entertain lust for another man's wife in our mind, we have committed adultery as sure as if we had gone through the act.

Question: If, once we are saved, God no longer recognizes our sinful acts, does He recognize a homosexual's activities any more than He does ours?

My real point is that we keep judging that which is not ours to judge. Regardless of our religion, even if we have been saved, we still continue, at least to some degree, our sinful ways. We condemn some because we consider their acts too abominable to be forgiven, and we preach forgiveness for others because we have some emotional reason to want them to be OK.

It is fine to be discerning to make choices of who to hang with or allow our children to be around, but we tend to go overboard in the judgement area and end up on crusades that are Jesus' business to determine, while ignoring/denying the planks in our own eyes.

BTW, I'm of the opinion that actions speak louder than words, but Jesus made it clear that even our thoughts, in and of themselves, can be detestable - yet, He died so that even our actions need not condemn us if we only turn over our hearts to Him. He allowed Himself to be murdered at the hands of sinners so the sinners need not perish. We need to emulate His love and leave the fearsome judgement to Him.

140 posted on 06/07/2014 3:08:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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