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George Will: ‘I’m an amiable, low voltage atheist’
Daily Caller ^ | 9:10 PM 05/03/2014 | Jamie Weinstein

Posted on 05/04/2014 12:34:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

Just an insufferable, low IQ deceiver...
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241 posted on 05/05/2014 1:02:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Olog-hai
It doesn't excuse it at all.

But let's not pretend that our friend is being a self proclaimed equal opportunity mediator.

I laid out a short version of non-supernatural morality earlier. I've asked for a similar definition from the theistic side and haven't gotten one.

If I had to guess, it's because he knows that he'll open up an intellectual can of worms by saying "My morality comes from the Bible", as those of us who don't agree with you and he easily go line by line documenting the death, destruction, and misery commanded by the "transcendent authority" in the OT.

The best defense is a good offense. I can't fault him for not putting his convictions on the line, as they are likely indefensible.

242 posted on 05/05/2014 1:02:59 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: TangoLimaSierra

-What does 76.2X39 mean?

—It is an ammo designation. In this case for my AK47.

Ah.

See, I was ignorant.

Your response is excellent and I agree.

Yet it defeats your entire premise.

It reinforces the view that an external authority provides the most strong basis for humans behaving morally.


243 posted on 05/05/2014 1:03:04 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: GunRunner; Olog-hai

So your cognition is less than up to the understanding that the complexity of the DNA code is beyond accident?
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244 posted on 05/05/2014 1:07:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Olog-hai

Mercurial:
changeable; volatile; fickle; flighty; erratic:

“Old Testament God”: created man, decided they were too violent without telling mankind that being violent was a bad thing. Destroyed Man with flood. Saved Noah, who then got drunk and cursed an entire tribe of men because its found saw him naked.

God creates a wealth of food in Egypt for seven years, then causes a famine of equal time so Joseph can make bank on stored Egyptian goods.

To punish ALL Egyptians, and not just the ruling class, OT God kills all the Egyptian first-born and when he runs out of them, kills first-born cattle to boot.

Yep, that’s mercurial.


245 posted on 05/05/2014 1:09:24 PM PDT by martiangohome
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To: editor-surveyor
What is the understanding? Do you have proof that each sequence is written by an external creator?

Aren't you that geocentrist guy, or am I thinking of someone else?

246 posted on 05/05/2014 1:13:45 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: ifinnegan

Buddhism is not pan-theistic at all. Name their gods.

Superstition? One man’s superstition is another man’s religion.


247 posted on 05/05/2014 1:15:06 PM PDT by martiangohome
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To: martiangohome

No. “Mercurial” implies doing it without notice, and without telling the creation what is expected of them. The people had plenty of advance warning from prophets—including the antediluvians, from Noah.

And the curse is not because Noah was found naked, but because the one who received the curse did nothing about it (and there is heavy implication that there was lewdness involved in the lack of action); the two tribes that were not cursed did something about it.

Please read the Bible first before making ad hoc claims about its contents.


248 posted on 05/05/2014 1:22:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: martiangohome

The Arhat.


249 posted on 05/05/2014 1:25:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ifinnegan
The lack of morality among all mammalian species indicates it is not instinctive or innate.

Was driving to the store thinking about your comment and remembered this from way back.

I'm not arguing that gorillas are going to establish a Constitutional Republic anytime soon, but I think it at least makes one pause about the innate nature of minimizing suffering.

Gorilla Saves Boy

250 posted on 05/05/2014 1:35:18 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Olog-hai

Not conservative, and not an atheist.

He’s agnostic, which makes his arcane use of the English language and his intentional obfuscation of his points in a barrage of 50 cent words plucked from the list of the Scripps-Howard Spelling Bee all the more caustic to me.

He’ll be outing himself as a homo next week to sell a book.


251 posted on 05/05/2014 1:36:36 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: GunRunner

Begging more questions here. Does the gorilla have a sense of morality, or did God influence that gorilla to act against the standard set of instincts given to it? None of us can get inside that gorilla’s head, of course.


252 posted on 05/05/2014 1:45:49 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And the curse is not because Noah was found naked, but because the one who received the curse did nothing about it (and there is heavy implication that there was lewdness involved in the lack of action); the two tribes that were not cursed did something about it.


So, he was cursed because he looked at his own father in a come hither way? Interesting translation you must read. First time I’ve ever heard such nonsense.

Yikes.


253 posted on 05/05/2014 1:46:59 PM PDT by martiangohome
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To: Olog-hai
None of us can get inside that gorilla’s head, of course.

Of course not. But what's more likely, that there was a very primordial, basic appeal to the gorilla's mind that this person was in trouble and needed help, or that that God intervened in that tiny, isolated circumstance and helped the boy?

Since we're both primates, I think that there was a tiny speck of evolutionary morality in helping the boy.

You're free to believe it was a miracle.

254 posted on 05/05/2014 1:49:13 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: martiangohome

Why did he run and tell his brothers after leaving Noah naked, instead of covering him up?

Throwing the word “nonsense” out there implies insecurity in one’s position. Rather liberal-like.


255 posted on 05/05/2014 2:01:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GunRunner

Evolution does not necessarily imply morality, though. Especially from a Darwinian point of view. Helping the human child was of no benefit to the gorilla; it neither strengthened his own survivability nor indicated an alteration of his genes in a beneficial way.


256 posted on 05/05/2014 2:02:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Evolution does not necessarily imply morality, though.

I totally agree. Morality does seem to be of evolutionary benefit to a tribal species dependent on solidarity with one another.

257 posted on 05/05/2014 2:10:37 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Correction:

Evolution does not necessarily imply morality, though.

I totally agree. However, morality does seem to be of evolutionary benefit to a tribal species dependent on solidarity with one another.

258 posted on 05/05/2014 2:11:54 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: martiangohome

Kuan yin. Mr Hell. Tudi Gong gong - millions of them. Myriad ghosts. All sorts I don’t remember the names of.

Again, I think you have no knowledge or experience with Buddhism at all.

Except from the liberal western misrepresentation of the past century.


259 posted on 05/05/2014 2:24:09 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: GunRunner

Yes we do have absolute mathematical proof in the complexity, and enduring stability of the code.

Perhaps that is too far above your level of cognition?

Atheists tend to be less than honest, below productive IQ levels, and tenacious as an earth worm.


260 posted on 05/05/2014 2:42:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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