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To: 1010RD
Yep. I'm of the opinion that Gibbon started the thing a little too late. The rot set in before Marcus Aurelius. The Romans themselves couldn't agree on when. Cato the Elder's opinion was that it was when the Senatorial classes began to do some of the very things he did himself to make his fortune. But the Republic was dead long before Marius and Sulla came along to give it that final shove.

The best take on that topic I've found is Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy. He did have a tendency to idealize the early pieces but whether he believed Livy's every word or merely pretended to is a little hard to determine. Great stuff.

23 posted on 04/17/2014 4:42:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Yes, the story of Marius and Sulla is a good one and it shows what happens to great men without the humility of godliness. Marius’ reforms were critical, but his thirst for power and inability to tolerate rivals brought havoc to Rome. It’s interesting that once tradition is broken it is very hard to reestablish.

Gresham’s law is true not just of money, but of everything.


24 posted on 04/17/2014 4:54:49 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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