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To: rlmorel
An overarching, bloated, federal government, state government, town government, or school district is the epitome of that thought process, and Common Core is simply another expression of it.

Okay, good, let's start with that. You are much better off making your own case than linking me to a video you haven't seen in a while. I think if you looked at it afresh you'd realize it's not really very good. Let's look at what you said, because it took him 9 minutes but it took you about 3 sentences. Well, there were three good sentences in there, and that was one of them. Here's another:

...decision making of all types should be kept as close to those affected by it as possible, and people should have the opportunity and right to change to a different situation to address it.

AGAIN, right! Now... what is one of the glaring problems of the smoking wreckage of education? A liberal curriculum implemented by teachers who are either liberal or apathetic. Let's get as close to the affected as possible: the classroom.

We need conservative teachers. Wailing about the state of education when the majority of conservatives won't touch it with a 3,000 mile long pole is pretty useless. You need conservative teachers to get into those classrooms and teach meaty, weighty stuff.

THAT is how you fix it. You can protest Common Core till you're blue in the face. It won't do any good because you are still complaining from the outside. You're like a woman whose cat is up a tree and you call for help getting it down. Neighbor arrives with pellet gun and you say "Not like that!!" Fire fighters arrive with hose and you say "Not like that!" Local lumberjack arrives with saw and you say "Not like that!"

You need to get up that tree yourself if you want that cat down your way. Not just you, of course. Conservatives in general.

Now you'll come up with a list of reasons why conservatives don't become teachers. It's morally wrong to work for the government (unless you're military). It's morally wrong to join a union (great, there goes any career with cops and firefighters too). Whatever it is, excuse after excuse.

Okay, keep operating that way. Be like that woman I was talking with earlier, chanting about dismantling it and not offering a single reasonable plan as to how, or what we'd do with the millions of feral youth who'd roam the streets then. Pretend it can be done with diatribes and bumper stickers (I got a Free Tibet bumper sticker for you too.)

You cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's out. You'll get rid of federal involvement in education about the same time you get rid of the Federal Reserve. Good luck with that one too. I'm so sick of conservatives whose answer for everything is to just roll back time to just before the Titanic and start over. You can't. It's too late. So your choices now are whine on the sidelines or get in there and change it from within.

167 posted on 03/31/2014 6:33:39 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

I think your basic premise is simply off base, that we steer conservatives into education, and that is going to fix a problem.

Trying to fix the problem by encouraging young conservative people to become teachers is like trying to encourage women to become engineers. It is a liberal proposition. Talented women either want to be engineers, or they don’t. Using the example of women in engineering, a subject liberals think all kind of nonsense about it, it is typical of their approach they take by throwing time, money and effort by trying to force a change using bureaucracy and my money, and yet, the numbers aren’t much different. Yet they persist, because some people in a building in Washington think the under-representation in engineering fields of human beings with breasts and vaginas is an extremely important issue to be addressed.

Never mind the sexual anatomy of the engineer doesn’t have a thing to do with whether a catheter used by a physician will work right, or an airplane is designed by an engineer to handle well in a cross wind.

Because people have the freedom (or still do, for a little while) to go into field they are interested in, that presents a problem: most kids have more exposure to the profession of teaching than nearly any other profession by the time they graduate from high school. And whether it is accurate or not, there are a large number to whom it is not a draw. Now, being a guitar player, artist, or pilot (like Bill Whittle) that is interesting to them. Never mind many professional pilots feel as romantic and challenged by their jobs as school bus drivers, the perception is important.

You don’t want people to do what they want to do, you want them to do what you want them to do because it is perceived to be for the greater good. It doesn’t mean there aren’t young conservatives who are going to be attracted to teaching and be good at it, in the same way there are certainly women out there interested in engineering who become fine engineers.

That national group you founded and currently lead, “The Conservative Education Association” whose charter is to find ways as teachers to encourage young people to enter the field of teaching, how is that working out? It probably isn’t, because you likely don’t run an organization, nor is it likely any of your conservative compatriots do either.

How about this? You work hard at what you do to improve your situation and make it your task to steer young conservatives into the field and mentor them?

I will work hard at what I do to improve the field I work in, and am going to encourage and mentor young people under me and foster the ideas of conservatism in their work ethic and their.


178 posted on 04/01/2014 3:05:47 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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