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To: Buggman; Tenacious 1; Mr. K; Arlis

“If the speed of light (C) were higher in the past, the energy (E) or mass (M) of distant stars would be likewise effected, and we could clearly see that they were operating under different physics. They aren’t. “

Or are they? We assume that the doppler shift is due to motion, based on our understanding of light. What if it isn’t? What if the energy from those stars is different due to the changing speed of light?


67 posted on 03/18/2014 11:47:34 AM PDT by HeadOn (HOLD..... HOLD..... HOLD.....)
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To: HeadOn
We assume that the doppler shift is due to motion, based on our understanding of light. What if it isn’t?

Interesting consideration, except I believe we are able to observe the Dopler affect on light through other verifiable science and experiments. I recall experiments with prisms and solar eclipses or something. ;o)

That said, I would not rule out the premise of observable light being misinterpreted. It would set science as we know it on its head. It would be like Galileo and/or Einstein scientific revolution and controversy. BLASPHEMY! ... and all that.

68 posted on 03/18/2014 12:02:33 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: HeadOn

no no no... the speed of light was the same- only the dimensions were so small...


81 posted on 03/18/2014 2:14:47 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: HeadOn

no no no... the speed of light was the same- only the dimensions were so small...


82 posted on 03/18/2014 2:14:56 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: HeadOn

The Creator is above all the laws He has created.........they appear to limit our universe - but they don’t limit His.........


86 posted on 03/18/2014 7:15:28 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: HeadOn; Tenacious 1; Mr. K; Arlis
If the speed of light were higher in the past, the energy output of distant stars would be increased by the square of C's increase. You'd get the exact opposite of a red-shift.

That, or their mass would be decreased by the square of C's increase, which would prevent distant stars and galaxies from cohering together. Yet there they are, so we know that isn't happening.

I used to be enamoured of the possibility of C-decay making the universe younger than thought, until someone pointed out the very obvious rammifications of that in light of E=MC^2. It simply doesn't work, even if we didn't have the ability to directly measure the energy--and therefore the speed--of light at the moment it left those distant stars and galaxies . . . and we do. Look up hyperfine split lines.

Just as much to the point, YEC might be required for a literal understanding of the English translation of Genesis, but it is not for the original Hebrew. The more I have learned about the Hebrew words used, what they mean, how they fit together, how they are conjugated, and how the language just works differently than English (lacking much in the way of tenses, for example), the more comfortable I have become with the reality of an old universe.

Shalom.

88 posted on 03/19/2014 8:02:30 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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