Posted on 03/10/2014 12:29:14 PM PDT by redleghunter
Pope Francis has suggested that the Vatican could support gay civil unions in the future, according to one of the church’s most senior cardinals.
Cardinal Dolan told American television that Francis wants church leaders to 'look into it and see the reasons that have driven them.'
'It wasn't as if he came out and approved them,' Dolan told NBC on Sunday. 'He said, “Rather than quickly condemn them, let's just ask the questions as to why that has appealed to certain people.”
In an interview to mark his first year in the church’s top job, Pope Francis last week reaffirmed the Vatican’s opposition to gay marriage but indicated that some types of civil unions could be acceptable to the church.
The Pope restated the church's teaching that 'marriage is between a man and a woman,' but added 'We have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety.'
Some countries justify civil unions as a way to provide the same economic and legal rights to cohabitating couples as those who are married, the Pope said in the interview with Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.
As archbishop of Buenos Aires, the then Jorge Maria Bergoglio was one of the leaders of the Catholic Church's public charge against legalising same-sex marriage in Argentina. He called the proposed legislation ‘a destructive attack on God's plan’.
But behind closed doors the Argentine archbishop is said to have supported civil unions for same-sex couples.
Former theology professor and gay rights activist Marcelo Marquez said: 'He told me “I'm in favour of gay rights and in any case, I also favour civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law”.’
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I disagree with you. Power of attorney does not cover all the legal aspects that are normally presumed to be only for married couples. My point was that the sexual behavior of the people in a civil partnership does not even have to be a factor.
This by the way is what the Pope said in the interview,
Q “Many nations have regulated civil unions. Is it a path that the Church can understand? But up to what point?”
Pope’s answer, “Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn’t know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety.”
I think your analysis is spot on.
To say “the source is bad!” is wrong. I agree 100% that these are trial balloons with plausible deniability. You nailed it.
Where does this end? No idea but I’m not encouraged.
Are Cardinal Dolan's comments taken out of context too? He seems to clarify the Pope's statements.
Welp, guess there’s not much point to the rest of the Bible either then...”
...exactly. Minimizing, rationalizing, rewriting, re interpreting. The US Constitution and the Bible. Neither needs “modernizing”.
I, for one, still believe the Church should at least speak out against even-secular arrangements that institutionize and perpetuate such seriously anti-Biblical behavior.
But at the very, very least...I would urgently recommend that language such as “the Church will approve of...” be avoided, even if the Church decides not to speak against these things. There is a difference between not speaking against something... and openly stating or asserting Church “approval” of it.
The Church cannot “approve” of behavior that God condemns and still maintain its own legitimacy as His church, IMHO,
Pope Francis has suggested that the Vatican could support gay civil unions in the future, according to one of the church’s most senior cardinals.
I did not read the suggestion anywhere in the article. Could it be the authors own suggestion?
‘It wasn’t as if he came out and approved them,’ Dolan told NBC on Sunday. ‘He said, “Rather than quickly condemn them, let’s just ask the questions as to why that has appealed to certain people.”
Since we are reading “suggestions” into this, perhaps the Pope is saying “Let’s get to the cause of the sin and condemn that.” After all aren’t we supposed to love the sinner but detest the sin?
In an interview to mark his first year in the church’s top job, Pope Francis last week reaffirmed the Vatican’s opposition to gay marriage.
OK that sounds like a strong Catholic statement.
but indicated that some types of civil unions could be acceptable to the church.
Please show the actual quote because I am having a problem believing this. In the first part of the sentence he “reaffirms” the Churches position. In the second half of the sentence the claim is made he “indicated”.
Satan is working hard to destroy Christianity. Don’t be so quick to believe him nor his minions in the liberal press.
Can you please provide a source that clearly addresses the quotes in the article? Please read the entire article.
Take a look at this before you believe the hype please.
Argintina has had Gay Marriage for quite some time.
What did the College of Cardinals expect to happen?
Really?
A well reasoned post. I think there are many in denial of what will most likely happen. The Protestant “Roman clone churches” have already gone down this road of accepting “gay marriage”, ordaining women and even ordaining sodomites.
Traditional and Conservative Roman Catholics should be planning for another schism.
Eventually the comments of “the Pope is not speaking ex cathedra” will no longer suffice. Because on these very important moral matters the Pope will indeed have to go that way to make the “changes” he plans to make, if he ever makes such a decision. And then what happens...You have the Traditional Conservative Roman Catholics in effect betrayed by their church head. Where to go from there? One cannot impeach a pope now can they?
If you can't, please refrain from posting bad info.
Indeed and when the Traditional and Conservative church going and faithful Roman Catholics are faced with such false teaching coming from the "top" what to do? Popes, from what I understand, cannot be "impeached."
That’s one good thing I see about the Orthodox Church. The leaders are much more titular.
Yes a carefully stated answer and fully understand what he meant by it. However, why did Pope Francis "let it hang out there" the 'evaluate them in their variety.' That part I don't understand. For what the Roman Catholic church stands for on morals is clear, no? Why would there be need to examine something which is clearly against church doctrine...unless one is considering to lower the bar a bit?
is this more dolan’s interpretation of what he said,
or is it actually what he said?
the press doesn’t seem to do a great job translating what the guy actually says, but may spin it the way they want it to sound, ie more liberal, than what really was said.
Luther declared “I now know of a certainty that the papacy is the kingdom of Babylon.”
2 Peter 1:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
“If you believe the quotations are false, please post what you believe are the correct ones.
If you can’t, please refrain from posting bad info.”
First of all, I didn’t give any bad info. I didn’t give any info at all. I simply said I thought the article was BS. That is my opinion. I will post my opinion here and I don’t give a damn what you think. I simply do not believe that the Church is open to gay marriage or gay civil unions. I have faith in that.
The fundamental transformation of the Catholic church by the pope continues apace.
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