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To: Nero Germanicus

The quote you have from James Madison, would you be so kind to tell us what president or presidential candidate he was referring to?

As we now know, the first draft of constitution required born citizen. It was then changed to Natural born citizen.

As the author of the constitution he would know this, and used both terms when appropriate. Naturally.

Which term is he using in this quote you have posted?


118 posted on 03/10/2014 10:21:14 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

James Madison was talking about the concept of allegiance to the United States in general. He was not referring to any presidential candidate or president.
Would you be so kind as to post a quote from a Founding Father which states that two American citizen parents are required under the Constitution in order to meet the Article Two, Section 1 natural born citizen provision.

And we know from the Supreme Court’s ruling in Minor v. Happersett that: “The Constitution does not say in words who shall be ‘natural born citizens.’ Resort must be had elsewhere to determine that.” {1874}

And we know from the government’s brief for the Supreme Court in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) that the government asked the High Court to decide:
“Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?”

The government’s attorney went on to say that: “To hold that Wong Kim Ark is a natural-born citizen within the ruling now quoted, is to ignore the fact that at his birth he became a subject of China by reason of the allegiance of his parents to the Chinese Emperor. That fact is not open to controversy, for the law of China demonstrates its existence. He was therefore born subject to a foreign power; and although born subject to the laws of the United States, in the sense of being entitled to and receiving protection while within the territorial limits of the nation—a right of all aliens—yet he was not born subject to the “political jurisdiction” thereof, and for that reason is not a citizen. The judgment and order appealed from should be reversed, and the respondent remanded to the custody of the collector.”

The Justices of the Supreme Court disagreed, six to two.


119 posted on 03/10/2014 10:53:42 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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