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To: Alamo-Girl

Irrelevant.
***Relevant. dearest sister in Christ!

People dealt with gravity and motion and information long before those theorists came along, just as you acknowledge.

Maybe the terms “retain the meanings assigned” by those AFTERWARDS and maybe they don’t. To IMPOSE such definitions afterwards upon colloquial expressionism is a battle more for the grammarian rather than the classic linguist. I take a linguistic approach rather than a a grammarian approach.

There is no doubt that Newton’s observations generated such a fantastic reconsideration of terms such as gravity and acceleration that history was changed. But Shannon did not change the history associated with sending “information” over a point-to-point communication network, such as ethernet or the telegraph.


239 posted on 02/27/2014 12:26:50 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo; betty boop; TXnMA; spirited irish
I owe you an apology, dear Kevmo. I've been very impatient with you all week, taking out my visceral disappointment with another on you. I apologize.

I am disappointed with a person, very dear to me, who has decided he is an atheist. He is intelligent and should know better - but I suspect he has been beguiled.

In that regard, the words of the serpent to Eve in the Garden of Eden are clear in my mind. The serpent said "did God really say..." (Gen 3:1 NIV).

So, as you might see, communication is front and center to me - especially this week. And this thread and our sidebar has focused on that very subject.

One of the truisms in Shannon's model is that if the sender encodes the message in say, French, the receiver must also be decoding in French and not say, German, or else the communication fails.

And here we have a problem.

You are certainly free to use whatever word meanings you desire. And if you choose colloquialisms, you are welcome to them.

I reject colloquialisms. This is also because of Scripture. For instance, in today's colloquialisms, bad and good are interchangeable - a reflection of what has actually happened in society:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20

I will continue to be hard as nails on language as I am after all, Christian and Texan and a math geek. Add all that up to my encoding/decoding demands clarity and precision.

So we have an irreconcilable language difference that makes continuing this dialogue pointless but thank you for your time, Kevmo, it has helped me deal with the disappointment mentioned earlier.

245 posted on 02/27/2014 9:32:38 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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