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To: RinaseaofDs
With ID, you start with the thing itself and how it is put together, like the human body. That is fact, like inspecting a car and its intricacies and functioning.

From the facts of the intricate and functional make up of the thing, one can deduce the thing was not an accident but made with purpose by an Intelligent Designer, just like after inspecting a car. This is an unavoidable conclusion based on factual evidence.

You can parse out "fact" in different ways I suppose, but I think the point is something with evidence way beyond a reasonable doubt is considered proof at least in a court of law. I know that science is based on theory, but theory borne out by solid scientific method is generally considered proof, I think. So maybe there's a fine line between proof and fact, but I think the point is made.

132 posted on 02/05/2014 4:09:55 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

The point is made to you. I would also allow that, for me, it is evidence enough of an intelligent designer, and more to the point, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

However, a FACT stands on its own.

This is the issue. Were I Nye I never would have taken the invitation, because in BOTH cases faith is required. Once you arrive at this, you look at the evidence on both sides, and there is so little supporting evolution that it isn’t worth exposing yourself.


138 posted on 02/05/2014 4:49:21 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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