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To: Viennacon
He has gone all in Libertarian Party Libertarian rather then libertarian principles. The Libertarian party has been pro Gay marriage even thought if they were true to libertarian principles they would be for government out of marriage completely or kelp to the minimal laws necessary to accommodate the fact the heterosexual sex act has a unique byproduct. ..new people ...all other sex is a pleasure preference only that needs no government sanctions, involvement, endorsement any other kind of positive right grant. So on what grounds does a libertarian demand government be involved in a sexual act preference ...a true libertarian should demand NON involvement in a sex act preference
18 posted on 01/21/2014 9:04:12 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: tophat9000

And some libertarians do hold that position. You’re right that this is an obvious libertarian position, but as others have pointed out, left wing plants infiltrated the official Libertarian Party long ago, with the goal in mind of kneecapping conservatives.

See Montana senate race, 2012.


21 posted on 01/21/2014 9:07:53 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: tophat9000
The Libertarian party has been pro Gay marriage even thought if they were true to libertarian principles they would be for government out of marriage completely

That is the libertarian party position, they do represent libertarian.

It is the usual stupid libertarian stuff, that ignores reality, to advance the left.

""1.3 Personal Relationships
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.""

28 posted on 01/21/2014 9:39:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: tophat9000
You have written the conundrum of the libertarians pretty well. I've tried to be libertarian a few times, but I always fail and fall back to just conservative because I'm a Christian. We have the right to demand government in the bedroom because God demands it.

A libertarian says you can do what you want as long as it hurts no one else, but homosexuality hurts America. Read Leviticus 18: 22. God will "vomit" us out of the land He gave us if we allow sexual abomination here. That affects me and mine. Many libertarians believe abortion is a woman's choice. It is murder, pure and simple. She doesn't have the right any more than I would have the right to kill all the Jews or murder blacks, just because I felt like it. Many libertarian ideas, I still hold, but to lose my moral compass for some false principled ideal, no can do.

Our Founders were conservatives, not libertarians as some would suggest. Many were ministers and even the so called lay person knew the Bible better than most preachers today. Our system was borne out of the Bible. Most libertarians aren't even Christians. God gives us plenty of rules and libertarians don't want ANY. The "new" movement in TV libertarians is a fad that will pass. It lures you in and then reality put it to the test and it WILL fail, as always. Republicans welcome them in, but then put them in the corner, like Rand Paul. Rand will not get more than 15% in the primaries. Beck is a man that woke up after alcohol and is searching for truth. He's close, but no cigar.

56 posted on 01/21/2014 11:29:07 PM PST by chuckles
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