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To: Kevmo
we’ll run out of water
***Not bloody likely. There’s enough energy in one gallon of sea water as 50 gallons of gasoline.

Even if there is such energy, what are the byproducts of this reaction, and who exactly (biologists? chemists? physicists? poets?) so quickly declared them harmless, and what should we do with them? Just pile them up, until the end of days? If they possess less energy than the ground state, there isn't much we can do with them... they become dead weight forever, ashes of Hydrogen.

Also, I see that you are using salty water for the reaction. Even if we assume that salt is not a concern for the reaction itself, what happens to all these dissolved salts after the water is converted to plasma and then into something else, not seen before on this Earth? Those ought to be piles and piles of salt... and you know, that salt is not very good for the land. If you dump it back into oceans, it will be eventually changing the water; also, trucking of all that salt water across the country, and trucking the salt back, can't be free. What's the story?

But I suspect if the reaction is real, and not imaginary, then salt in the water is bad news - for one simple reason: it had to be heated up. First, we lose energy on that; and secondly, that energy can break bonds between Na and Cl. What will happen then? You get Na and Cl2. None of them are good for life, by anyone's definition (unless you are an extraterrestrial from an unusually nasty planet.)

There is plenty in this theory that can be questioned even without debating whether the reaction itself is possible.

181 posted on 01/15/2014 11:27:55 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Even if there is such energy, what are the byproducts of this reaction, and who exactly (biologists? chemists? physicists? poets?) so quickly declared them harmless, and what should we do with them?
***The byproducts appear to be heat and Helium, sometimes Tritium, and even transmutation of the host metal elements.

Just pile them up, until the end of days?
***Well, that works okay for heat until 3,000 years from now when the AGW guys are finally proved correct. And Helium is not only harmless but useful. The rest are recyclable metals and other stuff. Maybe there will be some radioactive Lead shielding that can be dropped into Chernobyl for the next 3000 years. I think that’s a pretty good start.

If they possess less energy than the ground state, there isn’t much we can do with them... they become dead weight forever, ashes of Hydrogen.
***We’ll kill ourselves with nuke weapons long before this becomes any kind of problem.

Also, I see that you are using salty water for the reaction. Even if we assume that salt is not a concern for the reaction itself, what happens to all these dissolved salts after the water is converted to plasma and then into something else, not seen before on this Earth?
***We put the salt in big piles just like we do now. Right now I’m no more than 3 miles from some of the most expensive salt flats in the world (Silicon Valley, most people aren’t aware of this). Now we can have salt flats in the middle of the desert or wherever. It won’t be a problem for 3,000 years.

Those ought to be piles and piles of salt..
***Wow, it would appear you are presuming millions and millions of gallons of desalinated water and salt piles. For 3,000 years, this won’t be a problem.

. and you know, that salt is not very good for the land. If you dump it back into oceans, it will be eventually changing the water;
***You could always build a molten salt fission reactor. But of course, your radioactive products would outweigh the salt wastes in a matter of a few short years, far less than the 3000 year goggles I’m putting on.

also, trucking of all that salt water across the country, and trucking the salt back, can’t be free. What’s the story?
***I think the story is that Morton Salt will be able to sell their salt flats for $millions/acre, and won’t even go out of business. By the time salt becomes a problem, we could cheaply fire it into outer space.

But I suspect if the reaction is real, and not imaginary, then salt in the water is bad news - for one simple reason: it had to be heated up.
***last I heard, desalination was a good thing. Deserts will bloom from all that water.

First, we lose energy on that; and secondly, that energy can break bonds between Na and Cl. What will happen then? You get Na and Cl2.
***I drive by a salt pile several days a week. It doesn’t scare me. Even if it were 10,000 times bigger, it still wouldn’t be radioactive nor even occupy 1/100th% of current desert land.

None of them are good for life, by anyone’s definition (unless you are an extraterrestrial from an unusually nasty planet.)
***Recently, salt chemistry was upgraded. Having a lot of it might be a good thing.
http://dailyindependentnig.com/2014/01/chemists-make-surprise-discovery-about-table-salt/

There is plenty in this theory that can be questioned even without debating whether the reaction itself is possible.
***Well, as far as I can tell, none of these issues will bite us in the ass for 3000 years. I think if we make it that far, we’ll be able to deal with the consequences.


209 posted on 01/16/2014 12:27:12 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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