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To: Fred Nerks; Swordmaker; RandallFlagg

He was a leftist demagogue, so it figures he’d attack Dr V — early attackers of Velikovsky like Harlow Shapley were similarly politically affiliated. When digging into defenders of Shapley’s position during the Shapley-Curtis debate, I figure I’ll find a leftie. Shapley led the campaign to get “Worlds In Collision” suppressed and removed from publication.

Curtis’ position was fairly conservatively stated, that the spiral nebulae were actually other galaxies, which is what he held the Milky Way to be. He was wrong about the size by one order of magnitude.

Shapley’s position was that nearly the entire visible universe is what we know as the Milky Way, and using a technique he helped pioneer, gave a size estimate for the MW about three times its actual size.

Whereas both of them were right about something or other in this debate, it remains mysterious to me that anyone could not see that Curtis was much more correct, so I find it reasonable to conclude that Shapley proponents are for the most part left-wing figurative bomb throwers.


92 posted on 01/14/2014 4:13:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Whoops, I wrote:

> He was wrong about the size by one order of magnitude

s/b

> His size estimate differed from Shapley by one order of magnitude

And regarding the size difference, Curtis was about 1/3 actual, Shapley about 3x actual, meaning from the standpoint of ratios, it’s a wash; but Curtis was only off by 70,000 ly, while Shapley was off by 200,000 ly.


94 posted on 01/14/2014 4:26:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-QQSWgXi4

It’s a delight to watch and listen to that brilliant man.

Compared to the sarcastic pipsqueek Carl Sagan, who insisted, along with his peers, that Venus was only a few degrees warmer than our planet, and when it was discovered to be HOT and covered in an hydrocarbon cloud, as calculated by Velikovsky, insisted that this HEAT of 800 degrees was the result of THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlN7iVIuhk

However, as Velikovsky says, Science is a SELF CORRECTING discipline, and that’s why the GLOBAL WARMING scam which is based upon that same fictitious ‘greenhouse effect’ is going down, with Al Gore and the UN at the helm.

Long Live Velikovsky’s WORLDS IN COLLISION!


95 posted on 01/14/2014 5:09:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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