Posted on 12/30/2013 9:07:12 AM PST by RaceBannon
You quoted me:
“Radiation moves far and wide.”
You said to me:
You don’t know what you’re talking about, which is why the EPA can come out and say all kinds of things which may look frightening but really is not.
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If only you knew what you were talking about, this might be interesting....
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I will give you an analogy using uranium and dog feces. A pile of uranium, which is an atomically unstable element that emits radiation in a process known as ‘decay’, is like a pile of dog feces emitting, or radiating, stench. Neither is nice to be around.
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I am trying to match what you say with the work I did with Cesium-137 but you haven’t given me much to work with...just a bunch of dog feces.
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Radiation travels in a straight line. It can be shielded by three things: time, a barrier such as concrete or lead or water, or distance from the radioactive source.
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When did you change the subject from the deposition of radioactive isotopes (fallout, like Cesium-137) which occurred in a “leopard spot” pattern over Europe (Chernobyl) or dropped in places like Boise, Idaho and Montpelier Vermont (Fukushima), to energetic particles or energetic waves given off as a beam by an isotope?
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I live in southwest Washington State. I like oysters and eat those harvested from Willapa Bay on the Washington coast. They haven’t been contaminated, and if radioactive particles were in abundance in the sea water, as filter feeders oysters would show evidence. The State of Washington is keeping notice.
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Classic nuke apologist manure...I mean...maneuver. Well usually they try to contain all damage occurring from a meltdown/explosion to the date and locality wherein it occurred. Using this method, the Soviets insisted that only the first responders or persons in the Chernobyl plant at the time of the disaster were harmed and they made it illegal for physicians to report anyone else as suffering from radiation related illness or death for the first 3 years after the disaster. You’re saying that one species in one bay in Seattle is not YET harmed (how would you know - maybe they don’t harvest the sickened oysters that can’t cling to a rock or have been pulled off rocks by predators) therefore there is no contamination risk from Fukushima. Not big on objective data analysis, are you?
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You say:
Cesium 37 was put into the atmosphere by Chernobyl.
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Nope. That’s Cesium-137 along with other radioactive isotopes. Say, what is that that made you think you are an expert?
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You say:
It is a problem in the northern latitudes of Scandinavia and obviously is being monitored in the northeast U.S.A. Cesium 37 has a half-life of 30.7 years so it is decaying and I would expect it to be more difficult to find with time.
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Again, it’s Cesium-137 along with other isotopes. And it’s a much larger problem then Scandinavia. It’s scandalous how little you know about this issue.
It’s been about 25+ years from Chernobyl and the Ukraine region is actually becoming MORE radioactive, much to the dismay of those who anticipated that the contaminates would sink into the soil at a predictable rate and would therefore reach a “safe” distance underground....that is if one doesn’t care so much about drinking water. The theory about why portions of the region is more radioactive now than before tends toward the lack of true containment. The original structure over the “elephant’s foot” (corium) was never actually sealed - there are holes in the roof large enough to drive a car through. So it’s possible that the corium has continued to waft radioactive waste into the air. The new structure they are building might reduce the rate of buildup in the surrounding environment. Maybe.
Side note: In the Ukraine, thyroid cancer has increased with time, against all expectations. One researcher has said that perhaps the mechanism of thyroid cancer is poorly understood (thought to be only iodine taken up) and may in fact reveal that other sources of radioactive waste contribute to thyroid cancer as well.
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You said:
Wikipedia has a good section on the subject; you will find the entry about Fukushima interesting, no doubt.
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I really hope you read it.
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The large concrete domes collapsed, which isn’t the same thing as “blowing up”.
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That is patently false. How else to explain this to you? They.blew.up. They went sky high. They went to the great cement quarry in the sky. Why don’t you know this when there are videos available showing the explosions and news casts analyzing the nature of the explosion, first person accounts of workers and residents nearby when the domes exploded?
The first explosion was attributed to the ignition of Hydrogen which had been pumped into the structure.
There is debate about the second structure explosion which seems to indicate a criticality occurred. A piece of fuel was discovered at a distance from the plant that would have required a trajectory, acceleration and speed that could not occur by hydrogen explosion alone.
I believe the calculations which indicate that a criticality occurred but if you’re skeptical, we can just agree that a hydrogen explosion blew that dome sky high too.
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You say.
No cesium 37 blasted into the air as happened at Chernobyl when the steam lines ripped apart and pulverized the fuel rods.
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Well there is no such thing as Cesium 37 so you’re finally getting one right! However isotopes including Cesium-137, Cesium-134 and others were ejected all over the place. SPEEDI simulation data showed teh direction of the radioactive plume but Japanese authorities declined to release the data to the public (those who were trying to avoid the radioactive plume) saying much later “We didn’t feel like releasing the data.”
There is evidence that nuclear fuel was ejected from the Fukushima disaster and pray tell, how is you never looked at the radiation maps distributed by the Ministry of Education (Japan) showing Fukushima contamination? (there are later maps that show contamination further out but this will do for now) http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/09/radiation-map-by-ministry-of-education.html
Where have you been if you are simply unaware of the radioactive beef (Cesium-137) shipped to schools, the fact that they mix Cesium-137 contaminated rice with “clean” rice to bring the overall level of contamination down to make it “safe” to eat (and then conceal this information from the citizens). There is radioactive waste far and wide with tea crops, grazing fodder, milk, beef, fruits etc. all testing positive for Strontium and Cesium and, according to the IAEA, a total of 31 isotopes detected at Fukushima. Have you really believed all this time that people were making it all up? Fish catches that were radioactive etc.? Elevated Thyroid cancer in Fukushima children You thought it was all Kubuki Theatre????
Sadly, there is some indication that fuel was ejected from the domes (not just the flying piece used for calculations) and that it formed spherical pellets that dropped around the region. Much of the radioactive payload landed in the water. The rest of the corium left behind will end up there too as it is flushed into the ocean by groundwater. Yes there’s plenty O’fuel in the environment.
Note that by “fuel” I am referencing isotopes much nastier than Cesium-137 and have half-lives in the thousands of years.
The key to your question is cooling. There is a lot of ground water. Who can say EXACTLY what would occur. But really, once you’ve progressed that far, none of it is good.
Your patience is to be commended. Just sayin’...
The really pathetic part of this is how many have their heads in the sand on this and treat all such news as inflammatory fear-mongering and refuse to either participate in such threads at all and won’t learn more than Wikipedia or the government informs them. Those that do engage, their ignorance really screams, doesn’t it? I simply didn’t have the patience to engage exDemMom as you did here; she bored me with her authority on ignorance being ‘her training’...
Perhaps not....but my Chemistry 101 class taught me that it means,at the very least,some form of liquid (perhaps water) coming into near proximity of a heat source.
just dont drink any seawater or local fish
i would bet the fish from those polluted farms in Vietnam are safer than the Japanese fish now
also, DO NOT DRINK the tap water in China!
Hong Kong took better care of their water than Beijing, so, BE WARNED: THERE IS A REASON THEY DRINK TEA; IT IS BOILED FIRST!
boiling doesnt get rid of toxic pollutants.
they boil their water because traditionally their water treatment methods weren’t very sophisticated. They also don’t trust water thats been sent through many miles of pipe to still be clean
In related news, the sun rose above the horizon this morning for the 563 billionth day in a row, spewing dangerous radiation across the planet. Scientists are working feverishly to determine the cause, and to find a solution to the problem.
Uh oh.
oh, yes it does kill germs, who told you that it didnt???
It is poison that boiling doesn’t kill, but live germs?
Dead as doornails
but I meant it as a joke that it is why they drink tea...at least in the past...
You have reading comprehension problems.
I never heard that before. Do you have some links?
Radiation is not always observable. The amount of steam, in itself, means nothing.
Actually that’s unrelated to the subject under discussion. I am told that Wikipedia has information that can help you understand the difference between sunlight and the most recent disaster caused by incompetence and lies of the nuke industry.
So germs arent toxic pollutants?
No wonder you get all freaked out by junk articles like this one.
By the way, I have been to China twice
How many times have you?
It isn’t the poison from the dumping that makes you sick drinking the tap water, it is a bacteria
Even they know that
Chairman Mao’s revenge indeed
Well I lived in Asia for 3 years, is that good enough?
Lots of things can make you sick, bacteria, viruses, chemicals, heavy metals, the list goes on and on.
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