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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
The German people themselves certainly preferred the western allies.

That they did. Thus, two of the largest man-caused maritime disaster in history were Russian planes and submarines sinking ships full of German refugees fleeing Prussia for the west in the closing days of the war.

The Germans made a fascinating movie in 2005 based on extensive interviews with one of Hitler's surviving secretaries who was in the bunker, surviving documents and others. The scene with his war council over the loss of the Battle of the Bulge is used in many You-Tube parodies. While crazy, he wasn't stupid and the film makes clear that he preferred rule by the Soviets.

One of the final telling scenes, just days before his own suicide, is when he goes on a rampage when finding out that Martin Bormann is trying to negotiate a separate surrender with the western allies. Livid, he orders that Bormann be located and shot for his unauthorized free-lancing. When informed that Bormann has fled and cannot be located, he then orders that his aide be located and shot in his place. And it is done.

23 posted on 12/16/2013 7:41:27 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wasn’t Bormann, it was Himmler.


26 posted on 12/16/2013 7:52:04 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Best Bunker movie ever. And it has provided us with so many dubs.. Hitler rant videos.


29 posted on 12/16/2013 7:58:01 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wilhem Gustloff over 9000 civilians and wounded soldiers died on the escape from Konigsburg. Greatest maritime disaster ever. And I think in a way an atrocity. But War is War, and to the Russians, Germany started it.


30 posted on 12/16/2013 8:00:07 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: Vigilanteman

I don’t think that was the Battle of the Bulge he was losing his s#¡t about. It was a few months later at the final defense of Berlin, when he was summoning armies that no longer existed to break the Russian siege.

The movie is called “Der Untergang” (”The Downfall”) and it is well worth watching.


31 posted on 12/16/2013 8:01:56 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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What is the name of the movie?


36 posted on 12/16/2013 8:21:14 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Vigilanteman

You probably mean the movie “Downfall,” which is the source of the Hitler videos.


73 posted on 12/16/2013 9:33:38 AM PST by vaskypilot
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