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To: Nero Germanicus

There is a Federal report prepared by order of Congress and released in 2000 that discusses the unreliability of birth certificates as identification documents due to widespread forgeries and fraud by applicants and issuing government agencies.

In the case of Hawaii, fraudulent birth certificates have been deliberately condoned and facilitated by the territorial and state governments of Hawaii for more than a century now. It is evidenced by a number of sources ranging from the fraudulent birth certificate issued to Dr. Sun-Yat-Sen, President of the Republic of China while he was a political refugee in hawaii to the recent investigations by Mike Zullo and the Cold Case Possee of the Maricopa Sheriff’s Department.

I once met an illegal alien in the State of Missouri, who came from an Eastern Eorpean nation, and he showed me how he obtained a fraudulent Missouri birth certificate. He said it was very simple. He went to the local library and found which hospitals had been in operation about the time of his fictional birth date and have since closed. He then filled out a county form for a delayed report of birth to obtain a Missouri birth certificate, claiming it was no longer possible to obtain the birth record from the now closed hospital and discarded hospital records.

I asked how he got around his poor skills at speaking English and the lack of his birth registration in the year of his ficitional birth? He responded saying the registrars have been ordered by the district attorney and other state and county officials to turn a blind eye to the discrepencies and issue the delayed brith certificate despite these glaring problems. Then he proved what he was saying by showing me his fraudulent Missouri birth certificate and his presumably worn and tattered original European birth certificate.

He is not the only illegal alien to show and tll me how they got their own fraudulent U.S. citizenship documents.

These problems were also commented upon in the federal 2000 report.

Government corruption with respect to citizenship and identity documents is reampant in the United States, and the Federal 2000 report said the prosecutors almost never prosecute such obvious violations of the law, except in criminal cases involving a capital offense and sometimes no even then.


42 posted on 12/13/2013 12:02:13 PM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX

Yes, the federal government considers a U.S. Passport to be the primary evidence of citizenship and identity and a birth certificate to be only secondary evidence of same.
The law: 42CFR 435.407 “Types of Acceptable Documentary Evidence of Citizenship”. http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407

There still needs to be a judicial or congressional investigation that applies specifically to the circumstances of Barack Obama’s vital records (or lack thereof), and that hasn’t happened. It would be really helpful if just one living person who was not born in Hawaii but who has a state of Hawaii birth certificate could be exposed.
The possible corroborating stories of an August 4, 1961 birth at Kapi’olani Hospital would need to be impeached under oath. (The entry in the 1960-1964 Hawaii Index of Births, the August 13 & 14, 1961 Health Bureau Statistics data in the two local newspapers, statements of two other mothers who gave birth that weekend, Eleanor Nordyke and Monica Waidelich Danielsson), Barack Obama Senior’s claim of paternity to the INS on August 31, 1961, the 1964 Dunham-Obama divorce decree and step-father Lolo Soetoro’s listing of Honolulu as the birthplace of his step-son on the Catholic school application in Jakarta, Indonesia).


45 posted on 12/13/2013 12:54:28 PM PST by Nero Germanicus
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