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Just had a major DUH! moment
vanity | 11/10/13 | GunsAndBibles

Posted on 11/10/2013 8:53:33 AM PST by GunsAndBibles

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To: dhs12345

Right. But that was not the question. The question was “why do I have GPS when I’m off network?”


61 posted on 11/10/2013 3:47:13 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; Bruce Kurtz
A metal box is not a Faraday cage unless the metal box is grounded.

This is untrue.

Any conducting material with grid spacing significantly smaller than the wavelength of the signal to be attenuated is a Faraday Cage.

In particular, a metal box with thickness greater than the skip depth of the wave (which is no more than 100 microns or less) is always a Faraday Cage.

Grounding is required to avoid damage to objects outside of the cage, because induction currents induce charge on the outside of the box, which can be quite large if the signal has high energy. It does not affect the effectiveness of the cage as a shield. [I have demonstrated this to undergraduate physics and EE students, many times.]

62 posted on 11/10/2013 4:01:13 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna
Because the GPS allows you to navigate without actually being connected to a network. Just like a good ol GPS nav unit of which I have a couple.

Most of the phones don't have enough memory so they don't actually store the maps on the unit like a GPS nav unit. They have to connect into a network (via phone data or wifi) in order to download the map. So it is possible that your location information might be uploaded at that point.

Apparently there is map software that can be loaded on your phone like an app and then the phone could be a standalone GPS nav system.

63 posted on 11/10/2013 5:47:12 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
I answered the question. I wasn't asking it.
64 posted on 11/10/2013 5:57:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: dhs12345

Many, many years ago (around 1990) there existted hacker software which could find any mobile based on tower handshakes, and basically the handshake was as long as the phone had power. No GPS involved.


65 posted on 11/10/2013 7:33:07 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: GunsAndBibles

cardboard box, lined with tinfoil, no gaps, place inside.


66 posted on 11/10/2013 9:41:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: FredZarguna
This is untrue.

Did you read my follow-up post #58?

67 posted on 11/11/2013 7:50:09 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Hardraade
Ya. That probably still exists (by design).

It might have positive uses such as the police triangulating a person with dementia, or a child, or someone who has been kidnapped.

Also, the cell tower would have to know distance fairly accurately.

68 posted on 11/11/2013 10:55:38 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: The Klingon

—— Your phone has a GPS receiver in it which is independent of the cellular network. The phone does report its location to the network when connected. -—

So even if I go into Settings > Location and disable all of the GPS services, my phone can still be tracked?


69 posted on 11/11/2013 11:03:48 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

—— A metal box is not a Faraday cage unless the metal box is grounded. Otherwise it’s just a metal box -—

Does sitting on a concrete basement floor count? Or do you have to run a wire from it into the ground?


70 posted on 11/11/2013 11:07:37 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Does sitting on a concrete basement floor count? Or do you have to run a wire from it into the ground?

As I stated in my follow-up post #58, I tested this with an ammo can.

In this instance, the ammo can was sitting on an ungrounded kitchen counter.

71 posted on 11/11/2013 11:20:41 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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